Re: You couldn't make it up.
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:39 pm
Socialise and help people in the Paphos region.
https://www.paphoslife.com/forum/
Im slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.Jim B wrote: βTue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.
Jim
Ah.. But he was Labour..Jimgym wrote: βWed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 amIm slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.Jim B wrote: βTue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.
Jim
Bit of a lame excuse if you don't mind me saying so and he was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 after 3 years in power, a blink of an eye in real terms. The periods I'm talking about were pre and post Hatton when Thatcher was decimating the city and after when the EU poured money in to rebuild it.Jimgym wrote: βWed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 amIm slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.Jim B wrote: βTue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.
Jim
Why is it a lame excuse? Hatton caused a lot of damage to Liverpool, and that is very relevant to the posts you originally made. Granted, it doesn't suit your argument, however please don't dismiss it as irrelevant. Hatton's behaviour was not caused by Thatcher, it was caused by himself, but then the Left are never wrong, it's always someone else fault.....Jim B wrote: βWed Feb 19, 2020 1:04 pmBit of a lame excuse if you don't mind me saying so and he was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 after 3 years in power, a blink of an eye in real terms. The periods I'm talking about were pre and post Hatton when Thatcher was decimating the city and after when the EU poured money in to rebuild it.Jimgym wrote: βWed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 amIm slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.Jim B wrote: βTue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.
Jim
For every action there's a reaction and Hatton was caused by the actions of Thatcher.
You can see the Tories are up to their old tricks with Merseyside; considering Liverpool is the third largest city in England have a look where the HS2 railink is going.
It looks like the city is in for another attempted period of managed decline.
Jim
The author of that article published another one saying we should have more referendums. That's like trying to put a fire out by pouring petrol on it.Jim B wrote: βWed Jun 24, 2020 8:36 am I often cross swords with Jimgym over our definitions of Democracy in the UK, mine being it's unfit for service.
The below article highlights many of my concerns over how "Democracy works in the UK.
I would be interested in other opinions.
Jim
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... blic-power
Are you sure that it is not you who is in 1220 and not 2020? Many of the people in the House of Lords β and actually sitting there β are politicians and suchlike who have been booted up from the Commons. For the simple reason of the limited seating space, most of the people there are awake and vote according to their philosophy, when required.WHL wrote: βWed Jun 24, 2020 8:56 am As long as you have unelected Lords and Ladies sitting in the house of Lords, having a say on the Laws of the UK you can never claim to be a true Democracy, the only reason your sitting there is because, back in the day, the King/Queen gave you a bung for killing their enemy's, wake up people it is 2020 not 1220.
Are you serious, you are given a Lordship either to shut you up, its a scratch my back and il scratch yours, old boy, by all means have a second chamber, but an elected democratic chamber, not by being crap or bent in your job, or the PM etc owes you a favor,Devil wrote: βWed Jun 24, 2020 10:36 amAre you sure that it is not you who is in 1220 and not 2020? Many of the people in the House of Lords β and actually sitting there β are politicians and suchlike who have been booted up from the Commons. For the simple reason of the limited seating space, most of the people there are awake and vote according to their philosophy, when required.WHL wrote: βWed Jun 24, 2020 8:56 am As long as you have unelected Lords and Ladies sitting in the house of Lords, having a say on the Laws of the UK you can never claim to be a true Democracy, the only reason your sitting there is because, back in the day, the King/Queen gave you a bung for killing their enemy's, wake up people it is 2020 not 1220.
I am quite happy that the House of Lords is a working part of the British institution. They function as a safety valve to prevent the House of Commons from overreaching itself. As such, it is useful and it does not really matter who sits on the benches as long as they do their job, which is what they really do do!
It is very rare now for hereditary lords to actually sit and take decisions unless they have had an active political life.