Paphos Life

panoscouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:28 pm May he Rot in Hell for all the suffering he caused to innocent people.

geoffreys wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:37 pm

panoscouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:28 pm May he Rot in Hell for all the suffering he caused to innocent people.

Both sides of the divide had blood on their hands as did the British army. I doubt the peace process would ever have got off the ground had it not been for McGuinness' efforts.
Geoff.

Ramone wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:27 pm That excuse of a man orchestrated the deaths of hundreds of innocent people through indiscriminately bombings & shootings.
Not to mention the soldiers that were killed in the so called troubles.
But in the end he helped a peace process, That of course was nothing to do with the IRA starting to fall apart & the people of Northern Ireland wanting an end to the ongoing daily violence.
There are one or two more who wouldn’t be missed if they dropped dead today either, But hey, one can always hope.

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:58 pm Let's not forget that Geoffrey's judgement is flawed on so many fronts; he can actually see no wrong in Trump

tonee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:04 pm
Now,who,s taking bets on Gerry Adams kicking it, Ha!

Hudswell wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:38 pm Love her or hate her, I think Katie Hopkins sums this up quite nicely:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pkins.html

I’m just pleased that the world is a sweeter and cleaner place now. He was not only a multi-murderer, he was a coward. He knew that the IRA were defeated because British intelligence had penetrated right the way up to the Army Council and that the end was coming. He then sought to save his own skin and he knew that it was likely he would be charged before long with several murders which he had personally committed and he decided that the only thing to do was to opt for peace. He claimed to be a Roman Catholic. I hope that his beliefs turn out to be true and he’ll be parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity.

Jimgward wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:31 pm I have no feelings for Mc`Guinness. But I am realistic enough to know, that atrocities were committed on all sides. The original Peace Movement was because of persecution, lack of rights and injustice. Attrocities like Bloody Sunday and more stoked the fires and gave the power to 'terrorist' units on both sides. No doubt McGuiness was part of that.

Peace as it exists is partly due to McGuinness, as well as other 'terrorists' on all sides.... I could name Blair and others in that process, as both peace maker and terrorist.

Likewise, Thatcher was instrumental in prolonging the process, through mishandling and allowing British troops and forces to back sides at the expense of moral justice. The FRU (force reconnaisanonce unit) being a case in point.

We should all be thankful that peace appears to be lasting and that proper management of a province can prevail, now that all armed forces are in the background.

Whatever Martin McGuinness may have done since the IRA ceased its terror campaign, not once did he apologise to the families of those murdered during that campaign. He talked of his war being over. Well, maybe, but for those left behind, the whereabouts of the disappeared will never be over. The pain of loss still lingers and will continue to do so for those who had their loved ones brutally murdered by McGuinness and his accomplices. The IRA was not an army; it was a violent criminal gang that waged murder and mayhem on innocent civilians. And, frankly, its ranks got off too damned lightly after the vile murders they committed.

Peace talks, though, I can understand. Reconciliation is always a good thing. But ultimately, it needs for those responsible to own up to it and say “sorry”. Only then can forgiveness be deserved. McGuinness has never said “sorry” – nor has that other insincere apologist for murder; Gerry Adams. So, yeah, I’m with Katie Hopkins and Norman Tebbit on this one.

Devil wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:25 am But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

Devil wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:25 am But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

geoffreys wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:27 pm

Devil wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:25 am But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

Well you are saying what I was trying to say.
Also there is the matter of "bloody sunday" - where the British Forces blotted their copy book.
The only way now is continuation of the peace process - first they have to resolve their power sharing politics!
Geoff.