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Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:48 pm
by Jimgward
Jimgym wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:24 pm
Of course you haven’t jimgward, sadly but unsurprisingly.
Sad, yes, you are.... wee digs without the cahonas as to say directly.... A keyboard warrior, perhaps
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:04 am
by Jimgym
Jimgward wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:48 pm
Jimgym wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:24 pm
Of course you haven’t jimgward, sadly but unsurprisingly.
Sad, yes, you are.... wee digs without the cahonas as to say directly.... A keyboard warrior, perhaps
Jim, perhaps you should get someone to explain my comment, actually let me. I didn't call you sad, I said sadly, a completely different meaning. So before you call me a keyboard warrior or anything else, get your facts right.
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:48 pm
by Jim B
I wasn't really sure where to post this Link, it gives an insight into all the groups, cabals and money people behind Brexit and what their aims are.
It makes very interesting reading but of course to most Leavers it's all about sovereignty.
Jim
https://thebrexitsyndicate.com/
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:26 pm
by Earlsfield
Ms Scott Cato obviously has far too much time on her hands, but as a “Green” MEP that is hardly surprising
but I do love a good conspiracy theory.
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:00 pm
by Jim B
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:26 pm
Ms Scott Cato obviously has far too much time on her hands, but as a “Green” MEP that is hardly surprising
but I do love a good conspiracy theory.
So do I, especially when the conspiracy theory turns out to be true.
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:20 pm
by Varky
So to balance things out here re a few predictions of what will happen if we remain:-
Ah, here they come: Taxes imposed by the EU, slipped out unnoticed! This removes the ability of a Government to fund its own debt, to decide on what spending programmes it wants, to do anything, infact, that the EU decides against - and with Qualified Majority Voting, so ultimately redistribution of wealth in socialist Europe from rich AND POOR people in the UK to poorer people in Southern and Eastern Europe. Much of this money currently goes into the EU’s unauditted black hole of a ‘social cohesion fund’ covering.....whatever programmes and projects the unelected commissioners feel like. This is what Federalism means...not good, as you and I would be the ones paying for it!
Almost unreported by the majority pro-EU British media, last week the EU Commission announced its proprosals to continue the harmonisation of taxes across the EU, to the detriment of British businesses and consumers.
Not only that, but it proposes that these should be agreed under the ‘Qualified Majority Voting’ system, which means that individual member states such as the UK would no longer have a veto.
Here is what the unelected EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker had to say:
“Our increasingly globalised economies need modern and ambitious tax systems. I remain strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting and a stronger voice for the European Parliament on the common future of taxation in our Union.”
- Jean-Claude Juncker, EU Commission President, 15 Jan 2019
THE EU’S “4 STEPS TO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”
Step 1
“Member States would agree to move to qualified majority voting decision-making when it comes to measures that improve cooperation and mutual assistance between Member States in fighting tax fraud, tax evasion, as well as for administrative initiatives for EU businesses, e.g. harmonised reporting obligations. These measures are usually welcomed by all Member States but are prone to being blocked for reasons unrelated to the issues at hand.”
Step 2
“Would introduce qualified majority voting as a useful tool to progress measures in which taxation supports other policy goals, e.g. fighting climate change, protecting the environment or improving public health.”
Step 3
“The use of qualified majority voting under Step 3 would help to modernise already harmonised EU rules such as VAT and excise duty rules. Faster decision-making in these areas would allow Member States to keep up with the latest technological developments and market changes to the advantage of EU countries and businesses alike.”
Step 4
“Step 4 would allow a shift to qualified majority voting for major tax projects, such as the Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base and a new system for the taxation of the digital economy, that are urgently needed to ensure fair and competitive taxation in the EU. In particular, the Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base is still progressing very slowly as a result of unanimity.”
“Today's Communication suggests that Member States consider developing Steps 3 and 4 by the end of 2025.”
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:28 pm
by Earlsfield
Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:00 pm
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:26 pm
Ms Scott Cato obviously has far too much time on her hands, but as a “Green” MEP that is hardly surprising
but I do love a good conspiracy theory.
So do I, especially when the conspiracy theory turns out to be true.
Jim
Do you believe in fairies too?
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:40 pm
by Jim B
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:28 pm
Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:00 pm
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:26 pm
Ms Scott Cato obviously has far too much time on her hands, but as a “Green” MEP that is hardly surprising
but I do love a good conspiracy theory.
So do I, especially when the conspiracy theory turns out to be true.
Jim
Do you believe in fairies too?
Of course, I have four granddaughters.
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:04 am
by Earlsfield
Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:40 pm
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:28 pm
Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:00 pm
So do I, especially when the conspiracy theory turns out to be true.
Jim
Do you believe in fairies too?
Of course, I have four granddaughters.
I have 3! And of course a fairy Garden for them, and we enjoy the fantasy, they are young
Although I suspect Ms Scott Cato has a problem with that....reality and fantasy
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:33 am
by Robert
Hoping that nobody who voted for Brexit and lives in the EU27 is depending on a UK index linked state pension otherwise they may just have been a turkey voting for Christmas.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/ ... zens-in-eu
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:04 am
by Earlsfield
And as I have already posted Robert, there are many countries outside of the EU that UK citizens receive the yearly increase in the state pension, there are also expats living abroad that do not receive that update. It is all speculation at the moment, the increases will continue for 3 years, after that I suspect if no deal can be done with the “27” as a collective then bilateral agreements will be negotiated, as they are now.
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:36 am
by Jim B
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:04 am
Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:40 pm
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:28 pm
Do you believe in fairies too?
Of course, I have four granddaughters.
I have 3! And of course a fairy Garden for them, and we enjoy the fantasy, they are young
Although I suspect Ms Scott Cato has a problem with that....reality and fantasy
Jim
All those listed are well known Brexit supporting groups or media barons whos news outlets support Brexit.
The report shows who either supports or finances said groups. Not breaking information, just clarification and the only fantasising I can determine is you believing it's a conspiracy .
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:42 am
by Jim B
Varky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:20 pm
So to balance things out here re a few predictions of what will happen if we remain:-
Ah, here they come: Taxes imposed by the EU, slipped out unnoticed! This removes the ability of a Government to fund its own debt, to decide on what spending programmes it wants, to do anything, infact, that the EU decides against - and with Qualified Majority Voting, so ultimately redistribution of wealth in socialist Europe from rich AND POOR people in the UK to poorer people in Southern and Eastern Europe. Much of this money currently goes into the EU’s unauditted black hole of a ‘social cohesion fund’ covering.....whatever programmes and projects the unelected commissioners feel like. This is what Federalism means...not good, as you and I would be the ones paying for it!
Almost unreported by the majority pro-EU British media, last week the EU Commission announced its proprosals to continue the harmonisation of taxes across the EU, to the detriment of British businesses and consumers.
Not only that, but it proposes that these should be agreed under the ‘Qualified Majority Voting’ system, which means that individual member states such as the UK would no longer have a veto.
Here is what the unelected EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker had to say:
“Our increasingly globalised economies need modern and ambitious tax systems. I remain strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting and a stronger voice for the European Parliament on the common future of taxation in our Union.”
- Jean-Claude Juncker, EU Commission President, 15 Jan 2019
THE EU’S “4 STEPS TO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”
Step 1
“Member States would agree to move to qualified majority voting decision-making when it comes to measures that improve cooperation and mutual assistance between Member States in fighting tax fraud, tax evasion, as well as for administrative initiatives for EU businesses, e.g. harmonised reporting obligations. These measures are usually welcomed by all Member States but are prone to being blocked for reasons unrelated to the issues at hand.”
Step 2
“Would introduce qualified majority voting as a useful tool to progress measures in which taxation supports other policy goals, e.g. fighting climate change, protecting the environment or improving public health.”
Step 3
“The use of qualified majority voting under Step 3 would help to modernise already harmonised EU rules such as VAT and excise duty rules. Faster decision-making in these areas would allow Member States to keep up with the latest technological developments and market changes to the advantage of EU countries and businesses alike.”
Step 4
“Step 4 would allow a shift to qualified majority voting for major tax projects, such as the Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base and a new system for the taxation of the digital economy, that are urgently needed to ensure fair and competitive taxation in the EU. In particular, the Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base is still progressing very slowly as a result of unanimity.”
“Today's Communication suggests that Member States consider developing Steps 3 and 4 by the end of 2025.”
Project Fear Varky.
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:38 pm
by Varky
Jim B,
You are so confused that you have forgot that Project Fear is a remainers plot based on supposition. What I posted was based on actual upcoming events.
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:53 am
by Jim B
Varky wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:38 pm
Jim B,
You are so confused that you have forgot that Project Fear is a remainers plot based on supposition. What I posted was based on actual upcoming events.
Varky
You should read it again, it's proposals, woulds and shoulds; nothing signed off, just suggestions put forward for consideration.
Project Fear works both ways, not confused.
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:22 am
by Varky
Jim B wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:53 am
Varky wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:38 pm
Jim B,
You are so confused that you have forgot that Project Fear is a remainers plot based on supposition. What I posted was based on actual upcoming events.
Varky
You should read it again, it's proposals, woulds and shoulds; nothing signed off, just suggestions put forward for consideration.
Project Fear works both ways, not confused.
Jim
Your confusion is not acknowledging that 'Project Fear' was originally a creation of the remainers
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:06 am
by Jim B
Pendantics, pendantics Varky.
Not confused at all; Leavers claimed things like job losses, factory closures, drug shortages, fall in the value of sterling etc. was to frighten the electorate, "Project Fear" when they have now turned out to be true. Leavers are using similar tactics like the article you posted, the European Army, joining the Euro and the Schengen Agreement but they are patently untrue and "Project Fear" against Remainers.
Jim
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:26 pm
by Jim B
This is an interesting article from the FT regarding pension rises for British Citizens only guaranteed for 3 years on a no deal Brexit, I'm sure that's what all you Expat Brexiteers voted for.
Jim
https://www.ftadviser.com/pensions/2019 ... ats-in-eu/
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:40 pm
by Varky
And this will be reviewed after the 3 year period with a view to continuing the rises according to the account I read.
Tut, Tut, Jim B. At least tell the whole story.
Re: So...will the Remainers predictions come true?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:06 pm
by Jim B
Varky wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:40 pm
And this will be reviewed after the 3 year period with a view to continuing the rises according to the account I read.
Tut, Tut, Jim B. At least tell the whole story.
Pendantics pendantics Varky
I did post a link to the complete article for people to make up their own minds.
Are they're only guaranteed for three years or not, yes or no?
Wasn't Amber Rudd one of those who was going to resign if Blojo prorogued parliament; well her words her bond don't you think?
Jim
but I do love a good conspiracy theory.