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Firefly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:30 pm So Germany never managed to get a majority in the respective board behind them in anything, is that what you're saying ?

I said they don´t control the EU and as many boards aren´t representative in terms of financial contribution or populace but each nation has the same voting power (especially the most important ECB and EU commission boards) Germany is certainly not in a position to do so. And after Brexit it will have an even harder time defending against the desire for additional fundings of Southern countries.

You still haven´t answered the question of whether

you really think this would have happened if Germany was in control? Does the fact the German constitutional court referred such a decisive case to the European court indicate to you that Germany was in control?

With regard to the original post, more jobs leaving the UK -

EU leaders 'to strip Britain of valued European medicine and banking agencies within weeks'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 85811.html

Report suggests diplomats preparing to relocate European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency as UK Government's aggressive tactics succeed only in uniting bloc against it

Only a couple of thousand jobs going for the moment.
They could probably be employed by all the legal firms who will be involved for many many years in the Brexit negotiations!

Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:30 pm 5th June 1975. UK European Communities membership referendum.

...As I said earlier many leave leaders have been actively campaigning to leave the EU from 1975 when there was a Yes vote of 67.23%; now I look at that as their democratic right just as I look at it as my democratic right to try and overturn the second referendum. That is democracy

You are deliberately confusing the two issues. In 1975 I voted 'Yes' and if the same Referendum had been run in 2016, I would have voted 'Yes' again.

However, as the first part of your post pointed out, the 1975 Referendum was whether or not to to stay in the EEC so it is totally incorrect to say that leave campaigners have been actively campaigning to leave the EU from 1975. It simply did not exist then.

It was John Major who took us into the proposed EU via the Maastricht Treaty in 1993. Maastricht fundamentally changed the constitutional position of the British people who were NOT afforded the right to decide whether they agreed with it or not. I wonder how the Supreme Court would have ruled if that decision had been challenged then. Nevertheless, 1993 was the start of the slippery slope of Brexiteers asserting that it was not our will to remain in the EU and that a 'second' referendum should be held to find out the will of the people. Actually, as the subject of the two referenda were different (EEC and EU), it cannot really be classed as a second Referendum. 2016 was the first and only one about continued UK membership of a European State.

Also bear in mind, that in 1993, the EU consisted of just 12 countries - not the 28 as at present.

Royal wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:34 pm Also bear in mind, that in 1993, the EU consisted of just 12 countries - not the 28 as at present.

That´s probably the very problem.

Dominic
First of all I am dealing with it by democratically fighting against it like many millions who have the same views as I do; not just accepting it because I'm told it's the right thing to do.

Royal
The answer to the question you say I'm avoiding is in the article near the bottom.
The point as I'm sure you are aware I was trying to make regarding the referendum is that like the 1974 referendum the 2016 referendum was NOT cast in stone as some would have us believe. Democracy gives us that luxury of challenging an act that we believe either wrong or unfair and millions of us will keep challenging the referendum until we reverse the vote just like those who didn't wish to join with Europe in 1974 finally managed to do last year.

Lloyd

a great post; my sentiments entirely.

Jim

Oh come on Lloyd if we had wanted to click on Ohsusanas' link we would have done which I certainly did. There is absolutely no need to print it out or does duplication make more impact in your opinion?!

If anything it makes less impact.

And really, why is this news? Did anybody honestly think bodies like that would keep their agencies in a non-EU country? This isn't a punishement. The UK hasn't been stripped of anything. Language like that is totally unnecessary and just weakens an argument. It doesn't strengthen it.

But it's not just EU business relocating. This yesterday in the bbc business section -

Lloyds eyes Berlin for post-Brexit push
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39613888
The Sunday Telegraph newspaper reported that Lloyds would apply for a new German banking licence within a few months, but the company has refused to comment.
HSBC has already said it is likely to move 1,000 workers from London to its European headquarters in Paris, while the insurance market Lloyds of London recently said it was setting up an office in Brussels.....

I'm curious Poppy.
Why did you decide to leave Cyprus?
For example, personal, or financial, or... If private, i understand.

Dominic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:15 am If anything it makes less impact.

And really, why is this news? Did anybody honestly think bodies like that would keep their agencies in a non-EU country? This isn't a punishement. The UK hasn't been stripped of anything. Language like that is totally unnecessary and just weakens an argument. It doesn't strengthen it.

It's news because some people will scour the newspapers constantly for anything and everything that could be construed as potentially bad news for the UK because they disagree with Brexit and seemingly would hate to see Britain do well post EU. I've noticed they never post anything that could be construed as good news. I rarely comment on these posts because they are depressingly familiar, all maybe's and if's.

In answer to Ohsusanna, we decided to leave Cyprus after 10 years for many reasons,in part because we had somehow fallen out of love with it,the Summers seemed to be getting longer and hotter which we found difficult to cope with as we got older,we were also a little concerned re the lack of care for the elderly as we were approaching our 70's with no family and on returning to the UK for a holiday(we had only returned once before in the 10 years) we realised how much we missed it- lots of things - green fields,cows and sheep,beautiful beaches that allow dogs and indeed lots of sunshine albeit without the heat - suits us just fine. I don' t believe in having regrets but maybe if we had our lives to live again then Cyprus would not have featured in it. I am not one of those ex pats who will try to pull Cyprus down. It is what it is but just not for us anymore.

Poppy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:13 am In answer to Ohsusanna, we decided to leave Cyprus after 10 years for many reasons,...

Many many thanks for your detailed and honest reply. Food for thought for me and my family also. And may I wish you enjoyment and happiness in your new abode - a beautiful part of the country. )

Good post Jimgym

Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:26 am

Dominic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:15 am If anything it makes less impact.

And really, why is this news? Did anybody honestly think bodies like that would keep their agencies in a non-EU country? This isn't a punishement. The UK hasn't been stripped of anything. Language like that is totally unnecessary and just weakens an argument. It doesn't strengthen it.

It's news because some people will scour the newspapers constantly for anything and everything that could be construed as potentially bad news for the UK because they disagree with Brexit and seemingly would hate to see Britain do well post EU. I've noticed they never post anything that could be construed as good news. I rarely comment on these posts because they are depressingly familiar, all maybe's and if's.

I don't think there are any ifs or maybe's about that particular post Jimgym.

Jim

"In that case Allan, by way of counterbalance, perhaps you could post links.........."

Aaaaggghhh!! No, no, no, Allan, pleeeease don't!

smudger wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:26 am "In that case Allan, by way of counterbalance, perhaps you could post links.........."

Aaaaggghhh!! No, no, no, Allan, pleeeease don't!

Don't worry Smudger I wasn't about to! I mean who needs to hear yet another 'oh but that good news doesn't count because' ( insert excuse here).....

Firefly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:30 pm Yes we were made promises if we joined the EU, one if memory serves, was that we would never again stand alone again in times of war. And then The Falklands, and guess what.

Jackie

Realising what you wrote here now only. You are aware that this has nothing to do with the EU, are you? The EU isn´t a military organisation. I can´t believe that anybody in his right mind promised that the EU would help you fight a war. For that there is NATO.

You still haven´t answered whether

you really think this would have happened if Germany was in control? Does the fact the German constitutional court referred such a decisive case to the European court indicate to you that Germany was in control?

Jeba

Well maybe I'm wrong, but I will research it now. I did say 'if memory serves'. I haven't answered your question, because I can't remember which case you are referring to. I will have to back track and read your posts again.

Jackie

Jimgym wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:34 am

smudger wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:26 am "In that case Allan, by way of counterbalance, perhaps you could post links.........."

Aaaaggghhh!! No, no, no, Allan, pleeeease don't!

Don't worry Smudger I wasn't about to! I mean who needs to hear yet another 'oh but that good news doesn't count because' ( insert excuse here).....

Do you mean, as the brexiteers regard any negative post Brexit posts?

I really would love positive posts about Britain post EU. I know we are leaving and want life to be as good as possible then. At this moment, I really can't see it. Albeit, as a remainer, I maybe don't read the right papers... so go on, cheer us all up!

On another note. Cyprus advertises an ability to 'invest' in property in cyprus for an eu passport.

The current criteria is €2m.

Is any leeway given on that for historical property? I've owned for over 10 years, but never resident...

The bonus of a continued EU passport can't be ignored.

Jeba

I was wrong about war in general, I found the part that I recall, that is no member state makes war upon another, hence the UK wouldn't stand alone against Germany again. Maybe one reason why 1975 was a yes vote, a lot of WW11 soldiers still alive, and some WW1 veterans.

Still have to peruse your posts.

Jackie

Jeba

Ok re-read your posts, and I'm confused as to why the German Constitutional Court did not rule on it, if they considered it to be illegal. Surely if it is illegal, then they should have ruled on it, or would any such ruling have been ignored by the EU ? Surely they must have guessed at the outcome when they referred it to the European Court ? Or am I missing something ?

Jackie