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Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:48 pm
by Jimgward
When fervent Brexiteers abandon the Torres, because of Boris, then something’s afoot.
The Yellowhammer papers will be well-known to the Ministers and they make for terrible reading. Perhaps this is now coming down to one thing;
Tax avoiding schemes will no longer be legal in January 2020 as they will be subject to EU scrutiny. There you have it!
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:53 pm
by Dominic
I am a remainer but see no merit in extending the deadline at all. So on that at least I agree with the PM. If they can't come up with a new deal, either go for May's deal, No Deal, or just remain. But let it end.
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:57 pm
by living the dream
Being tax efficient is what most people / households do who have a relatively good income, I do not agree with Tax Avoidance Schemes and they should be made illegal and subject to EU Scrutiny - that rich given the EU has never submitted accounts in all the time in its existence and they want to scrutinise EU members states tax schemes "do as we tell you not as we do" springs to mind
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:11 pm
by Jimgym
Unfortunately I don't think anyone has come out of this with any class or glory. The whole thing stinks to high heaven now and needs to end. It has gone beyond farce. Why on earth should the EU grant yet another extension? It's been dragging on for 3 bloody years.
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:13 pm
by Jimgym
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:48 am
Apparently in today’s Telegraph, it has been leaked that Boris intends to comply by the law, by asking for an extension.....
But simultaneously, will submit another letter, asking for NO extension and to ignore the letter where he is asking for one.
I.e. conforms to the LETTER of the law, then squirms out of it..... nasty
How is he "squirming out of it" He has been forced to seek an extension which he will do. Adding his opinion to it is not, as far as I know illegal. He is saying what many are thinking, end this circus now. I can't for the life of me see how that is "nasty"
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:20 pm
by Dominic
What exactly will happen between now and January that would give merit to any extension?
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:46 pm
by Jimgward
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:13 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:48 am
Apparently in today’s Telegraph, it has been leaked that Boris intends to comply by the law, by asking for an extension.....
But simultaneously, will submit another letter, asking for NO extension and to ignore the letter where he is asking for one.
I.e. conforms to the LETTER of the law, then squirms out of it..... nasty
How is he "squirming out of it" He has been forced to seek an extension which he will do. Adding his opinion to it is not, as far as I know illegal. He is saying what many are thinking, end this circus now. I can't for the life of me see how that is "nasty"
What is nasty, is that he intends the letter asking for an extension, to be overwritten by the one asking not.... I.e. .... forget it, I said it clearly...
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm
by Jimgym
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:46 pm
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:13 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:48 am
Apparently in today’s Telegraph, it has been leaked that Boris intends to comply by the law, by asking for an extension.....
But simultaneously, will submit another letter, asking for NO extension and to ignore the letter where he is asking for one.
I.e. conforms to the LETTER of the law, then squirms out of it..... nasty
How is he "squirming out of it" He has been forced to seek an extension which he will do. Adding his opinion to it is not, as far as I know illegal. He is saying what many are thinking, end this circus now. I can't for the life of me see how that is "nasty"
What is nasty, is that he intends the letter asking for an extension, to be overwritten by the one asking not.... I.e. .... forget it, I said it clearly...
He is doing what Parliament require of him. He is also doing what he has said and that is to try and get Britain out by 31 October. You still haven't explained why that is nasty. Perhaps you'd care to explain what is nasty about that. I get that you don't like him, I get that you are a remainer, what I don't get is why you label him nasty for expressing his opinion ( as any PM would do). I can only surmise it's because you don't like the fact he is trying to deliver what was voted for by the people of Britain.
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:19 pm
by Firefly
Jimgym
Well said
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:48 pm
by Jim B
living the dream wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:57 pm
Being tax efficient is what most people / households do who have a relatively good income, I do not agree with Tax Avoidance Schemes and they should be made illegal and subject to EU Scrutiny - that rich given the EU has never submitted accounts in all the time in its existence and they want to scrutinise EU members states tax schemes "do as we tell you not as we do" springs to mind
LtD
You should really check your facts before making statements.
As I wrote earlier proroguing is irrelevant in respect to Brexit now, apart from it stops day to day business being processed.
Jim
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https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditor ... eu-budget/
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 pm
by Jimgward
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:46 pm
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:13 pm
How is he "squirming out of it" He has been forced to seek an extension which he will do. Adding his opinion to it is not, as far as I know illegal. He is saying what many are thinking, end this circus now. I can't for the life of me see how that is "nasty"
What is nasty, is that he intends the letter asking for an extension, to be overwritten by the one asking not.... I.e. .... forget it, I said it clearly...
He is doing what Parliament require of him. He is also doing what he has said and that is to try and get Britain out by 31 October. You still haven't explained why that is nasty. Perhaps you'd care to explain what is nasty about that. I get that you don't like him, I get that you are a remainer, what I don't get is why you label him nasty for expressing his opinion ( as any PM would do). I can only surmise it's because you don't like the fact he is trying to deliver what was voted for by the people of Britain.
He is going to break the law, which means that parliament will have to find the Government to have broken the law.
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 pm
by Jimgward
Firefly wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:19 pm
Jimgym
Well said
Jackie, you need to have an opinion, not just agreeing with any right-wing statement
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:28 pm
by Firefly
Jimgw
I do, and I have.
If I agree with another person's post, then it's up to me whether or not I comment.
Why is it that you remainers call us right-wing, when all we are asking for is the Government to carry out the result of the referendum. Now you may not like that, but that's it.
And for the what it's worth, I know left-wing voters who agree with me.
Jackie
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:42 pm
by Jimgym
Les Bean wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:28 pm
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:46 pm
What is nasty, is that he intends the letter asking for an extension, to be overwritten by the one asking not.... I.e. .... forget it, I said it clearly...
He is doing what Parliament require of him. He is also doing what he has said and that is to try and get Britain out by 31 October. You still haven't explained why that is nasty. Perhaps you'd care to explain what is nasty about that. I get that you don't like him, I get that you are a remainer, what I don't get is why you label him nasty for expressing his opinion ( as any PM would do). I can only surmise it's because you don't like the fact he is trying to deliver what was voted for by the people of Britain.
Fat finger syndrome again.... canx the like
. Surely he is doing the exact opposite of what Parliament has asked him to do, otherwise why the 2 letters?
Why is he doing the opposite? He is required to send the letter, which I am assuming he will do. He is also expressing his opinion. Are you saying he shouldn't tell the EU what he wants?
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:44 pm
by Jimgym
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 pm
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:46 pm
What is nasty, is that he intends the letter asking for an extension, to be overwritten by the one asking not.... I.e. .... forget it, I said it clearly...
He is doing what Parliament require of him. He is also doing what he has said and that is to try and get Britain out by 31 October. You still haven't explained why that is nasty. Perhaps you'd care to explain what is nasty about that. I get that you don't like him, I get that you are a remainer, what I don't get is why you label him nasty for expressing his opinion ( as any PM would do). I can only surmise it's because you don't like the fact he is trying to deliver what was voted for by the people of Britain.
He is going to break the law, which means that parliament will have to find the Government to have broken the law.
Tell me, how will he be breaking the law if he sends the letter as directed by parliament? Are you saying he cannot send another expressing his opinion? I have no clue as to the legality of that.
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:48 pm
by Jimgym
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 pm
Firefly wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:19 pm
Jimgym
Well said
Jackie, you need to have an opinion, not just agreeing with any right-wing statement
Would you care to explain why my statement and presumably me as I made it, are "right wing" ? Or are you trying to use the expression as some sort of insult? I'm very curious....
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:58 pm
by Jim B
Alan
I think it was May who coined the phrase the "Nasty Party" though I may be wrong.
Jim
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:03 pm
by Jimgym
Jim B wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:58 pm
Alan
I think it was May who coined the phrase the "Nasty Party" though I may be wrong.
Jim
Sorry Jim but you've lost me there?
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:23 pm
by Jimgward
Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:48 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 pm
Firefly wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:19 pm
Jimgym
Well said
Jackie, you need to have an opinion, not just agreeing with any right-wing statement
Would you care to explain why my statement and presumably me as I made it, are "right wing" ? Or are you trying to use the expression as some sort of insult? I'm very curious....
The comment was directed at Jackie.... who, in my opinion, only agrees with these type of posts
Re: So, the Autocratic Dictator Johnson is Proroguing parliament. Very democratic.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:23 pm
by Jim B
Alan
I thought you were asking where did the reference "Nasty" came from in reference to Boris and Tories in general.
Jim
. Surely he is doing the exact opposite of what Parliament has asked him to do, otherwise why the 2 letters?