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PaphosAL wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:48 pm Back on Topic: London bridges ugently require traffic / pedestrian seperation using Armco Barriers down each kerbside. Relatively inexpensive and could be installed in a week. I'm amazed this wasn't implemented after the previous Westminster Bridge cowardly atrocity.

Also, have Police checkpoints on the south side of each bridge (rather like the 'Ring of Steel' around the City of London) watching for dodgy-looking characters?

Bassman62 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:40 pm

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:16 pm
The difference is that Christianity has generally speaking left the more ghastly aspects of religion behind in the past where they belong.

There are of course one or two bizarre aspects of it visible and the odd Christian nutjob.

But Islam has not left them behind. It still views the Q'uran as the book to run your life by.

it is considered blasphemy to attempt to update the mediaeval scriptures of the Koran where you're taught how to beat your wife.

PaphosAL wrote:
Back on Topic: London bridges ugently require traffic / pedestrian seperation using Armco Barriers down each kerbside. Relatively inexpensive and could be installed in a week. I'm amazed this wasn't implemented after the previous Westminster Bridge cowardly atrocity.

Also, have Police checkpoints on the south side of each bridge (rather like the 'Ring of Steel' around the City of London) watching for dodgy-looking characters?

Cheers- AL

Lifesabeach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:43 pm

PhotoLady wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:19 pm

PaphosAL wrote:
Back on Topic: London bridges ugently require traffic / pedestrian seperation using Armco Barriers down each kerbside. Relatively inexpensive and could be installed in a week. I'm amazed this wasn't implemented after the previous Westminster Bridge cowardly atrocity.

Also, have Police checkpoints on the south side of each bridge (rather like the 'Ring of Steel' around the City of London) watching for dodgy-looking characters?

Cheers- AL

You were saying?
http://news.sky.com/story/anti-terror-b ... s-10904977

Why focus solely on London? What about the rest of the UK? Or does that not matter?

jagwheels wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:45 pm If these projections are correct then perhaps we should consider changing our religion & fight each other in the name of Alla. There has to be a better solution & I believe the leaders of the Muslim community who are the majority religion have a great responsibility in trying to change the mindset of radicals

smudger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:27 am See my post above, Islam is a regime NOT a religion.

Any true religion - and there are actually very few of them around - provides for redemption, sorrow, forgiveness and resurrection, all leading to rebirth. Islam provides for none if this, simply compliance with the dictat of the regime.

smudger wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:59 pm Interesting comments regarding the Q'uran.....
"Being a total atheist and disregarding any religious indoctrination, a friend of mine has been having a conversation with a number of others on her social media page about Muslims, their beliefs and trying to explain it is not all Muslims who are attacking as terrorists but those who are radicalists. My friend was brought up in Ireland (the north) and quoted a couple of lines from Deuteronomy 13, which I admit I knew nothing of.

So I Googled it and this is what I found


Scary stuff this religion No wonder there are so many nut jobs in our world! It only takes someone easily led to take on board those kind of statements and there's another one off down the road to the point of no return.

It's just as well the majority are normal, everyday people who have a true sense of well being and know that what is written is clearly not an instruction."

The massive difference between Christianity and all other 'religions' is simply Jesus Christ.

He alone atoned for all the sins of mankind by dying on the cross, meaning we simply have to acknowledge and repent of our sins to receive the forgiveness of God.

No other religion offers this forgiveness. Which is why Islam is totally unforgiving and demands followers comply with its restrictions totally and with no concessions, no way of turning back, no forgiveness. Compliance is the only option.

In my opinion this simply makes Islam a regime and not a religion.

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Islam teaches that Allah is Al-Ghaffur "The Oft-Forgiving", and is the original source of all forgiveness (ghufran غفران). Seeking forgiveness from Allah with repentance is a virtue.[20][21][22]
(...) Allah forgives what is past: for repetition Allah will exact from him the penalty. For Allah is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution.
— Quran 5:95
Islam recommends forgiveness, because Allah values forgiveness. There are numerous verses in Quran and the Hadiths recommending forgiveness. However, Islam also allows revenge to the extent harm done, but forgiveness is encouraged, with a promise of reward from Allah.[23][24]
The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loveth not those who do wrong.
— Quran 42:40
Afw (عفو is another term for forgiveness in Islam; it occurs 35 times in Quran, and in some Islamic theological studies, it is used interchangeably with ghufran.[20][21][25] Afw means to pardon, to excuse for a fault or an offense. According to Muhammad Amanullah,[26] forgiveness ('Afw) in Islam is derived from three wisdoms. First and the most important wisdom of forgiveness is that it is merciful when the victim or guardian of the victim accepts money instead of revenge.[27][28] The second wisdom of forgiveness is that it increases honor and prestige of the one who forgives.[26] Forgiveness is not a sign of weakness, humiliation or dishonor.[21] Forgiveness is honor, raises the merit of the forgiver in the eyes of Allah, and enables a forgiver to enter paradise.[26] The third wisdom of forgiveness is that according to some scholars, such as al-Tabari and al-Qurtubi, forgiveness expiates (kaffarah) the forgiver from the sins he or she may have committed at other occasions in life.[21][29] Forgiveness is a form of charity (sadaqat). Forgiveness comes from taqwa (piety), a quality of God-fearing people.[26]

Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:33 am This is what the second link I posted had to say about Islam and FORGIVENESS. It also covered the other major religions. I suggest you go back and read that link, as you quite clearly haven't yet done so.

smudger wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:47 am True forgiveness which can only come from God doesn't attract rewards, save that of knowing you do Gods will, nor does it demand compensations or punishments. This is not Gods will, nor His commandment. No one makes bargains with God.

No one but God has the power to forgive; performing a whole host of acts of attrition will not change that, nor will it bring true forgiveness.

smudger wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:47 am Actually I have Dominic, but it doesn't affect my previous comment. Forgiveness is not paramount in Islam, punishment is. in any case, Islams 'form' of forgiveness is conditional and/or dependent on performing the requisite punishment. This is not Holy forgiveness.

True forgiveness which can only come from God doesn't attract rewards, save that of knowing you do Gods will, nor does it demand compensations or punishments. This is not Gods will, nor His commandment. No one makes bargains with God.

No one but God has the power to forgive; performing a whole host of acts of attrition will not change that, nor will it bring true forgiveness.

The only key to forgiveness lies in Jesus Christ and Islam does not recognise Him.

Rita Sherry wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:45 pm

smudger wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:47 am Actually I have Dominic, but it doesn't affect my previous comment. Forgiveness is not paramount in Islam, punishment is. in any case, Islams 'form' of forgiveness is conditional and/or dependent on performing the requisite punishment. This is not Holy forgiveness.

True forgiveness which can only come from God doesn't attract rewards, save that of knowing you do Gods will, nor does it demand compensations or punishments. This is not Gods will, nor His commandment. No one makes bargains with God.

No one but God has the power to forgive; performing a whole host of acts of attrition will not change that, nor will it bring true forgiveness.

The only key to forgiveness lies in Jesus Christ and Islam does not recognise Him.

Smudger (Jacs)

Slight correction to the last line of your recent post i.e. Islam does not "recognise him" (Jesus Christ) I think you will find it does. Jesus is recognised as a prophet but not the "Son of God" by Islam and his mother Mary is also referred to in the Q'oran.

Otherwise I am with you on the majority of what you say.

DavidatWLH

It is not religion per se which causes so much misery but its wrongful interpretation by human beings. There are two paths in this life "the right path and the wrong path" God gave us the choice of which to take. Some of us find ourselves on the wrong path accidentally others as a deliberate way of life - our choice but it is never the will of God.

Rita