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Jim B wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:24 pm Oh and by the way 36% isn't a majority; you were just fortunate on the day and things will change.
Jim

Oh that's just not true. They won it fair and square. Deal with it.

Well I have to say what a stupid schoolboy mentality is the phrase"ultra remainers"!You say that you are not prepared to roll over and let the country be led to ruin but you are prepared to not live there and have no intention of returning?
Smacks a bit of hyprocrisy to me!
I'm sorry to say this but it is not Brexit that will destroy this Country but undemocratic people who keep chipping away with their negativity to dare I say incite civil unrest?

Royal wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:58 am

Jim B wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:24 pm We don't need you to roll over, it looks like the Government is starting to roll over.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics ... -1.3048046

Jim

So let me get that right, Jim,

A civil servant in Ireland now speaks for the UK Government? Really?

I don't believe that was even suggested. This Irish Civil Servant who is involved in negociating with the UK is making an observation about the UK changing their position to one more compromising.

Jim

But Jim,

The negotiations still haven't even started yet! They won't start until after the EU 27 meeting later this month. How exactly has the UK position (as laid out in Theresa May's Article 50 letter) changed?

Poppy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:53 am Well I have to say what a stupid schoolboy mentality is the phrase"ultra remainers"!You say that you are not prepared to roll over and let the country be led to ruin but you are prepared to not live there and have no intention of returning?
Smacks a bit of hyprocrisy to me!

Why hypocrisy? I can relate to his position. You can still feel some sort of loyalty towards your home country and care about what´s going on there even if you don´t live there anymore. You may as well have e. g. economic interests or family living there, after all. I for one will always care about Germany even though I don´t live there anymore.

Poppy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:53 am I'm sorry to say this but it is not Brexit that will destroy this Country but undemocratic people who keep chipping away with their negativity to dare I say incite civil unrest?

Why is it undemocratic to express his opposition? And what does it have to do with "chipping away with negativity" or inciting civil unrest? I doubt it will have any effect anyway.

As already stated Jeba it is undemocratic to not accept a democratic decision.You can indeed have an opposing opinion but in a democracy you accept a decision that may not be what you believe in.As for not living in the country then of course I accept that you will always care about your country of birth but if you care as deeply as these " ultra remainers" purport to do then return and if you have so much knowledge then put your money where your mouth is and stand in the next elections.

Well, uttering his disagreement isn´t the same as not accepting the result of the referendum, is it? It´s not as if he was to pick up a gun to fight against its implementation. Also, in my view you´re demanding too much if you expect people to change their lives just to be able to express their views.

I could ask Poppy why you didn't just accept the first referendum result like you are insisting I must do on the second. So you are just as undemocratic as you are accusing me of being. The childish Ultra Remainer comment came from one of the Brexit supporting blogs (Google it) and not as you assume from me
Did you vote for Brexit before or after you returned to the UK; a bit hypocritical accusing me of hypocracy and though I may not live there but the company I work for still deducts 40%+ tax out of my salary for HMC&E every month so I believe I have as much right as you to decide the direction my country takes.

Royal
The article confirms they were pre-emptive talks between Eire and the UK to discuss border issues of which the EU were aware..

Jim

Jim B wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:07 pm Royal
The article confirms they were pre-emptive talks between Eire and the UK to discuss border issues of which the EU were aware..

Jim

You are not getting away with that answer, Jim.

What has the UK supposedly softened its position on with regards to the border between Northern Ireland and Eire? How could it have been made more plain by the UK that maintaining the open border was a great priority for the UK in the negotiations?

I'm sorry Jim but which first referendum are you talking about? I'm afraid you have lost me.
At the time of voting I have to admit that I was quite unsure of which way to vote. I was not taken in by all the various claims and promises from either side but on balance I decided to vote to leave and I do not regret that decision. At that time I had no intention of returning to live in the Uk. The decision for us to return had nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. We are however very pleased that we did return. Financially it appears that on balance it is more expensive to live here but we have a far better life and can afford it so we do what makes us happy. However had the vote been that we stayed in the EU I would have accepted that democratic decision and got on with my life exactly as I am doing now.

5th June 1975. UK European Communities membership referendum.
I'm pleased you are enjoying life in the UK and We are enjoying our life in Cyprus. As I said earlier many leave leaders have been actively campaigning to leave the EU from 1975 when there was a Yes vote of 67.23%; now I look at that as their democratic right just as I look at it as my democratic right to try and overturn the second referendum. That is democracy

Thanks for that Jim. I have to admit that in 1975 I was only 26 and took very little interest in politics at that time.

In 1975 I voted against, I am still against the European Union. That said, what we were led to believe in 1975, has evolved into a European State, totally changed from the promised ideals in 1975, and ruled by Germany. You finally managed to do what Hitler couldn't do, have that country rule us !

I totally agree with everything Poppy has said and personally I do not believe the HIC and Jim B are such avid remainers, (they have no desire to live in the UK after all), just out to keep the argument going. To you both, like it or not, you WON'T win.

Jackie

Firefly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:43 pm That said, what we were led to believe in 1975, has evolved into a European State, totally changed from the promised ideals in 1975, and ruled by Germany.

That is an utmost ridiculous claim. Do you really think that e. g. the current monetory policy of the ECB is supported by Germany? Germans save on average more than 10% of their incomes and are now doomed to watch interest rates on their savings go to zero while being exposed to the risk of inflation by Draghi´s policies, nibbling away their savings (traditionally they are too risk-averse to invest in stocks)? While Germany is paying 27% of all EU contributions it only has 1 seat in the ECB board, just as e. g. Cyprus with less than 1 Mio citizens has. Germany´s previous representative stepped down in protest of that policy and his successor voiced his disagreement with it (but knows that stepping down won´t help either). The current monetary policiy is poisonous for Germany and only meant to support the economies of countries like Greece, Portugal, Italy, Cyprus and Spain while clearly harming German savers. There are strong movements in Germany demanding that Germany leaves the EU because they feel that Germany has to pay too much while being denied a say in how the EU is spending that money. The UK has usually been on Germany´s side on these matters (at least that´s what I read, haven´t checked whether it´s true). That´s a big reason why Germans are not happy with Brexit. In future Germany won´t have enough allies to prevent the "Club Med economies" with their alien economic philosophy from taking over control. At least that´s what they fear.

Thanks for that Jeba. Very interesting again to hear it from a german point of view however surely if Germany had supported David Cameron when he tried to get some concessions Brexit would have never happened?

Jeba

You may think it's 'ridiculous' I do not. We were promised a wonderful life in the EU, it's not, far from it. As I see it Angela certainly seems to have the strangle hold. Do you really think that it's purely for monetary reasons that the average German citizen has itchy feet ? I think not. Are you really saying that Germany is 'denied a say in how the EU is spending' the money ? If they don't who the heck does ?

Jackie

Poppy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:43 pm Thanks for that Jeba. Very interesting again to hear it from a german point of view however surely if Germany had supported David Cameron when he tried to get some concessions Brexit would have never happened?

How could Germany have done that? It would have smelled like interfering in other countries internal affairs, possibly even fanning Farage´s fire.

Firefly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:48 pm Jeba

You may think it's 'ridiculous' I do not. We were promised a wonderful life in the EU, it's not, far from it. As I see it, what Angels certainly seems to have the strangle hold. Do you really think that it's purely for monetary reasons that the average German citizen has itchy feet ? I think not. Are you really saying that Germany is 'denied a say in how the EU is spending' the money ?
Jackie

I don´t know who promised you a wonderful life. Nobody promised that to us. However, I do know that the then Chancellor of Germany and his minister of finance promised the German public that the introduction of the Euro wouldn´t mean that Germany might ever be liable for the debts of other countries (and that is indeed explicitely forbidden by the European contract governing the rules for the introduction of the Euro).

However, with the current ECB policy of buying government bonds of the Club Med countries in unlimited amounts ("whatever it takes" were Draghi´s words) that is exactly what´s happening. 27% of their funds which Draghis is pouring around like water come from German taxpayers who will therefore be holding 27% of the (empty) bag should Greece, Italy, Portugal etc. should not be able (or willing) to pay back. The German constitutional court had severe doubts whether that was legal but didn´t rule on it. They rather referred the matter to the European Court of Justice who nodded it through.

How can you claim, given those circumstances (and that the head of the German Federal Bank stepped back in protest), that Germany is ruling the EU? Again my question: do you really think this would have happened if Germany was in control? Does the fact the German constitutional court referred such a decisive case to the European court indicate to you that Germany was in control?

Firefly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:48 pm If they don't who the heck does ?

Whoever manages to get a majority in the respective board behind them. It´s as simple as that.

Jeba

So Germany never managed to get a majority in the respective board behind them in anything, is that what you're saying ?

Yes we were made promises if we joined the EU, one if memory serves, was that we would never again stand alone again in times of war. And then The Falklands, and guess what.

Jackie