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ApusApus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:42 pm

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:30 pm Not according to the American system of voting. He won fair and square. It is no different to the UK, where UKIP gained more votes than the SNP, but only returned 1 MP. Would you rather have anti UK Clinton?

Quite right, he won by their system & seems to be implementing what he pledged in his campaign so they can't complain really!

Shane

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:45 pm Hopefully keving he lasts 4 years, sadly he will be a target for every fundamentalist out there.
Whilst I do not agree with all he says, he is a refreshing and much needed change from career politicians.
He needs to walk the talk, and so far he is trying hard to do just that!
That is why he beat Clinton, and that is why working and middle class Americans voted for him.
I know America well, many once great states are a shade of there former selves, hence his victory

ApusApus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:51 pm

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:45 pm Hopefully keving he lasts 4 years, sadly he will be a target for every fundamentalist out there.
Whilst I do not agree with all he says, he is a refreshing and much needed change from career politicians.
He needs to walk the talk, and so far he is trying hard to do just that!
That is why he beat Clinton, and that is why working and middle class Americans voted for him.
I know America well, many once great states are a shade of there former selves, hence his victory

No he beat Clinton because it was a no-brainer!
Bravo!

Shane

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:54 pm

ApusApus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:51 pm

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:45 pm Hopefully keving he lasts 4 years, sadly he will be a target for every fundamentalist out there.
Whilst I do not agree with all he says, he is a refreshing and much needed change from career politicians.
He needs to walk the talk, and so far he is trying hard to do just that!
That is why he beat Clinton, and that is why working and middle class Americans voted for him.
I know America well, many once great states are a shade of there former selves, hence his victory

No he beat Clinton because it was a no-brainer!
Bravo!

Shane

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:45 pm Hopefully keving he lasts 4 years, sadly he will be a target for every fundamentalist out there.
Whilst I do not agree with all he says, he is a refreshing and much needed change from career politicians.
He needs to walk the talk, and so far he is trying hard to do just that!
That is why he beat Clinton, and that is why working and middle class Americans voted for him.
I know America well, many once great states are a shade of there former selves, hence his victory

keving wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:50 pm

ApusApus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:42 pm

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:30 pm Not according to the American system of voting. He won fair and square. It is no different to the UK, where UKIP gained more votes than the SNP, but only returned 1 MP. Would you rather have anti UK Clinton?

Quite right, he won by their system & seems to be implementing what he pledged in his campaign so they can't complain really!

Shane

Who are the "they" that you refer to?

As I see it, if you are one of the 48% who voted for him you can't really complain about him implementing what he promised in his election campaign.

But if you are one of the 52% who voted against Trump and his pledges, I am not really sure you should now say all is OK, bring on all this sh it that we voted against

Jimgym wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:14 pm Trump won, irrespective of how many popular votes etc. I find it scary but he won fair and square so it's something we have to accept. Democracy in action I guess, much the same as Brexit. A divisive issue and result and one which people are protesting still.

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:05 am I'm so incensed by Trump and what he is about that I actually took the trouble to find and sign the anti Trump State Visit petition. Up to 1.5 million signatories now. Even if the petitoion is unsuccessful (as seems likely) and he comes for his photo-op with the Royals, the demonstrations will be plenty and vocal.

In answer to the OP (is Trump mentally ill?), wife and I have opinied several times over the past few days that he is.

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:05 am I'm so incensed by Trump and what he is about that I actually took the trouble to find and sign the anti Trump State Visit petition. Up to 1.5 million signatories now. Even if the petition is unsuccessful (as seems likely) and he comes for his photo-op with the Royals, the demonstrations will be plenty and vocal.

In answer to the OP (is Trump mentally ill?), wife and I have opinied several times over the past few days that he is.

keving wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:00 pm

Wallace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:45 pm Hopefully keving he lasts 4 years, sadly he will be a target for every fundamentalist out there.
Whilst I do not agree with all he says, he is a refreshing and much needed change from career politicians.
He needs to walk the talk, and so far he is trying hard to do just that!
That is why he beat Clinton, and that is why working and middle class Americans voted for him.
I know America well, many once great states are a shade of there former selves, hence his victory

How can you say he beat Clinton when Clinton got 52% of the vote?

Forget the US electoral college system. The real thing is that if you travel America you will find a majority of people who are anti Trump.

PS "working and middle" class Americans voted for Clinton also. In bigger numbers.

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:05 am I'm so incensed by Trump and what he is about that I actually took the trouble to find and sign the anti Trump State Visit petition. Up to 1.5 million signatories now. Even if the petition is unsuccessful (as seems likely) and he comes for his photo-op with the Royals, the demonstrations will be plenty and vocal.

In answer to the OP (is Trump mentally ill?), wife and I have opinied several times over the past few days that he is.

This map from Press Association shows that 15 of the top 20 constituencies with the most signatories in favour of cancelling Trump’s state visit are in London. The rest of the country doesn’t seem bothered, other than the student towns of Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton and Edinburgh. Who’d have thought it?

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:49 am

johnoddy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:13 amPerhaps that's why it got so many signatures, people signing from outside the UK made it void and was, therefore, sidestepped.

Made it void? How so? From the petition site:

"Only British citizens or UK residents have the right to sign"

Last time I looked at my passport I was a British citizen

keving wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:05 pm What ever the number of signatures it is clear what the mood of the country is: we dont want Trump

keving wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:30 pm The "mood" of the country is actually measured by those that can be bothered to have an opinion.

Your graphic tells us nothing - it just tells us the top 20 constituencies with the most signatories and the bottom 20 constituencies with the least signatories. All other constituencies fall in between. As I say, it tells us nothing.

The new petition will be useful to test the "net mood" of the nation.

geoffreys wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:33 pm

keving wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:30 pm The "mood" of the country is actually measured by those that can be bothered to have an opinion.

Your graphic tells us nothing - it just tells us the top 20 constituencies with the most signatories and the bottom 20 constituencies with the least signatories. All other constituencies fall in between. As I say, it tells us nothing.

The new petition will be useful to test the "net mood" of the nation.

It'll test the "net mood" only of those who sign it!
Geoff.