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Excellent post Johnoddy

johnoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:55 pm The likes of you leftie luvvies make me laugh, you sit there behind your plastic keyboards typing the drivel that you do and only because squaddies put their lives on the line to make it possible.
How do you think so many terrorist attacks were stopped in the 70’s and 80’s, do you think IRA bomb makers were sat down, given a cup of tea and invited to discuss the chuffing weather?
I may not be the most sociable of people but I’ve lived in the real world and know that, sometimes, you have to go that extra mile to achieve results, if I and others like me hadn’t then the world would be a lot less safer than it is and countless innocent lives lost.
Within one year of the Brighton bombing and Maggie making “The gloves are off” speech the IRA were within six months of annihilation and it was only because of the hand-wringing left that it stopped there.
The next time you look at your kids and grandkids just be thankful for those squaddies that did get the results and stop wimpering about the terrorist’s human rights, they gave them up when they became mass murderers.

Top man!

johnoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:55 pm The likes of you leftie luvvies make me laugh, you sit there behind your plastic keyboards typing the drivel that you do and only because squaddies put their lives on the line to make it possible.
How do you think so many terrorist attacks were stopped in the 70’s and 80’s, do you think IRA bomb makers were sat down, given a cup of tea and invited to discuss the chuffing weather?
I may not be the most sociable of people but I’ve lived in the real world and know that, sometimes, you have to go that extra mile to achieve results, if I and others like me hadn’t then the world would be a lot less safer than it is and countless innocent lives lost.
Within one year of the Brighton bombing and Maggie making “The gloves are off” speech the IRA were within six months of annihilation and it was only because of the hand-wringing left that it stopped there.
The next time you look at your kids and grandkids just be thankful for those squaddies that did get the results and stop wimpering about the terrorist’s human rights, they gave them up when they became mass murderers.

Show me one post on here where anybody has whimpered about terrorists' human rights?

johnoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:55 pm The likes of you leftie luvvies make me laugh, you sit there behind your plastic keyboards typing the drivel that you do and only because squaddies put their lives on the line to make it possible.
How do you think so many terrorist attacks were stopped in the 70’s and 80’s, do you think IRA bomb makers were sat down, given a cup of tea and invited to discuss the chuffing weather?
I may not be the most sociable of people but I’ve lived in the real world and know that, sometimes, you have to go that extra mile to achieve results, if I and others like me hadn’t then the world would be a lot less safer than it is and countless innocent lives lost.
Within one year of the Brighton bombing and Maggie making “The gloves are off” speech the IRA were within six months of annihilation and it was only because of the hand-wringing left that it stopped there.
The next time you look at your kids and grandkids just be thankful for those squaddies that did get the results and stop wimpering about the terrorist’s human rights, they gave them up when they became mass murderers.

What a load of imperialistic garbage. The same squaddies who have also murdered people in many situations, including Cyprus, or are those different squaddies.

Without controls, national forces become terrorists. Sadly, the British army too often in history and recently has let itself down.

Dominic, I’m not going to split hairs with you over this, those that complain about the use of water boarding and/or torture are inferring it’s a breach of the terrorists human rights or that, in some way, it is barbaric. In a totally civilised world I would agree but we don’t and therefore, sometimes, the end justifies the means.
With the witch-hunt that is currently going on I have to be careful but if it wasn’t for the actions of certain people places like London, Manchester, Birmingham and other major cities would have been open-door targets for terrorist bombs, innocent men, women and children blown to pieces. What lengths would you go to to stop that from happening?
I can understand some people may be against certain aspects of the war on terror but if you are going to employ someone to keep you protected and safe then give them the tools required to do the job, do not tie their hands behind their back and tell them to “play nice”. It’s a sh#tty world out there and sometimes you have to get dirty to make it clean for others.

jimgward, I'm not even going to dignify your comment by even answering it, except to say; you need to wipe your mouth with toilet paper

johnoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:10 pm jimgward, I'm not even going to dignify your comment by even answering it, except to say; you need to wipe your mouth with toilet paper

And you need to be in prison, to protect us all from your horrible views on society. Then again, perhaps join Trump in his circle of nutcase followers

Austin7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:48 am

keving wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:27 pm

Firefly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:16 pm Keving

Why ?

Jackie

As you have given an open message to "do-gooders", presumably you include Theresa May in that category as she is against waterboarding?

Is she, is she REALLY? She may publicly say so but ................

Yes, she is right behind the British Governments position on waterboarding.

Is the UK Govt. able to use information gleaned from the use of torture?

Does anyone believe that the west was helped and became safer after the details of the
events at Abu Ghraib were revealed?

Cheers

Steve

johnoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:06 pm Dominic, I’m not going to split hairs with you over this, those that complain about the use of water boarding and/or torture are inferring it’s a breach of the terrorists human rights or that, in some way, it is barbaric. In a totally civilised world I would agree but we don’t and therefore, sometimes, the end justifies the means.
With the witch-hunt that is currently going on I have to be careful but if it wasn’t for the actions of certain people places like London, Manchester, Birmingham and other major cities would have been open-door targets for terrorist bombs, innocent men, women and children blown to pieces. What lengths would you go to to stop that from happening?
I can understand some people may be against certain aspects of the war on terror but if you are going to employ someone to keep you protected and safe then give them the tools required to do the job, do not tie their hands behind their back and tell them to “play nice”. It’s a sh#tty world out there and sometimes you have to get dirty to make it clean for others.

No, you are inferring that. Nobody else. People have complained on this forum because innocent people also get the treatment and because it may not actually work.

"We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us.”

Talk about a moral dilemma ...

There was a saying.."If you play big boy's games, you play by big boy's rules"

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

I think that might apply to you Jimgward, just so long as it isn't you in harms way, 'eh Jimmy boy?

Opposites attract. He's into water sports. She isn't.

Jimgward

Perhaps don't feel strongly enough about the safety of the British people, that's your choice, but many of us do. Whilst you are quick to condemn the British Squaddie, maybe you could face Lee Rigby's family and say the same. If he had been your son, would you still have the same attitude ? After seeing the many coffins returning from the war zones, covered by the Union Flag, squaddies returning limb less and/or mentally damaged, I don't know how you have the nerve to post what you have.

Keving

I do not believe that we have heard enough of Teresa May yet, to glean her full position on terrorism. We will wait and see.

Jackie

No army is without their skeletons. There is a concentration camp in Polemi which was run by the British. In due course I will do a blog article about it, as it is an intereting place. But to be honest, a direct consequence of training people to kill in order to protect you, is that they will by necessity be more brutal than Jo or Joanne Average. In a perfect world this wouldn't happen, but in a perfect world, there would be no war anyway.

Well put Jackie.

Jimgward said

"Sadly the British Army too often in history and recently has let itself down"

The difference is that if one of those squaddies you hold in such contempt do/have done what you suggest they are brought to account and punished, rightly in my view, accordingly. Can you say the same re the often unidentified cowards who wear no uniforms or are members of a properly recognised Armed Force who has declared war on the UK or any other country as opposed to the murder of innocents?

I will declare my interest as a widow of a former long term serving serviceman (incidentally in Cyprus at the time of difficulties).

I also take it you have no difficulty in accepting the protection of those you hold in such contempt.

Let it be.

Rita

Enormous dollops of hypocrisy being bandied about over torture of course.

Blair was complicit in it, Brown had to deny complicity in it , Cameron has had to close down enquiries about British complicity into it , May is saying she wants nothing to do with it but the US will do whatever it thinks necessary to defend its interests (and as pointed out previously it is America that defends pretty much all the more liberal Western democracies from less enlightened regimes)

It still has the legal power to torture suspects (Obama never got rid of that legal option or closed Guantanamo ), it still has the death penalty and yet the EU and Britain are queuing to do business with it , whilst telling countries like Turkey it can’t do business with us because because of Human Rights abuses and telling it that if it re- introduces the death penalty it’s EU accession process is off the table

I don’t like the thought of people being tortured (find it quite repugnant really) but I do realise it goes on and there are times where it might be the only way to get what information you need out of people who otherwise would have no incentive whatsoever to tell you what you need to know to maintain your own security. Might even work as a bit of a deterrent for those wanting to get involved as well

It is virtually impossible to defeat terrorism- all you can do is try to contain it. You can’t contain it if you don’t come down extremely hard on it and if you come down hard on anything the results never make for the most pleasant of viewings

The best way to defeat terrorism is to not give it a reason to start in the first place.

Conoflex wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:39 pm Enormous dollops of hypocrisy being bandied about over torture of course.

Where specifically?