Paphos Life

Dominic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:31 pm I haven't said Hudswell shouldn't be here. I have said that I don't understand why he would choose to be here. Hence, I haven't actually made a contention.

With regards to that quote, it wasn't Orwell. You will find this interesting, I think.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/11/07/rough-men/

Dominic

I did say the quote was "attributed" to Orwell - there is no certainty as to its author although Kipling is also mentioned where I found it some time ago with regard to his Poem "Tommy" It was also used by Winston Churchill but I doubt he was the actual author.

I am sending you a private message

Rita

Hudswell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:37 pm EOKA were fighting for Enosis, nothing to do with Independance, but unity with Greece...Cyprus would have gained their Independance, like Malta did in the early sixties anyway, peacefully and to the benefit of all Cyprus not just the GC majority ...EOKA fighters were indeed lions misled and lied to by donkeys...the biggest donkey being Grivas himself..they murdered their own, they murdered Turkish Cypriots, they murdered Men women and Children...I suggest JK you read up on the conflict...not the Greek Cypriot version of events but the truth....Britain has little to be ashamed of..the shame lies directly with the Cypriots themselves...

I'm sorry Huds old chap, but I think you are off the mark there. EOKA was established with the main objective of overthrowing British rule and gaining independence. EOKA B (a different organisation) was established by General Grivas with the main objective of enosis with Greece. It was proscribed by Makarios. The discussion here is about EOKA.
You say that Cyprus would have eventually gained it's independence, and you are probably right. But when? How would have this been apparent to the Cypriot populace? Do you really think they should have waited with their fingers crossed, hoping something would happen?
The point here is not the deeds of the Cypriots, of whatever group. It is the behaviour of the British military whilst ruling Cyprus. Torture is torture, and Britain should be ashamed.

There is the other view many Cypriots, Greek and Turkish held that Cyprus could become the economic hub of the Eastern Med as indeed Gibraltar is now on the Western end. What a lost opportunity. For Cyprus in the early 1960's, like the present EU, went the wrong way.

Yes, I have read it. My reading is that enosis was a secondary objective (the word used was eventual, implying not in the near future), once independence had been achieved. It should be noted that enosis wasn't supported by all in EOKA. The head of the political arm of EOKA, Archbishop Makarios, rejected it for example.