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Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:09 pm**

Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:39 pm That's completely different. When people talk about ISIS they are talking about a group of terrorists.

No different.

They are using an acronym which is understood (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria'). No different to TRNC being an acronym which is equally understood.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:11 pm**

In simple grammatical terms they are both acronyms and yes they are both understood. But that's not the point. The point is, what term do the locals use, the Cypriots who live here? They don't use TRNC. It's only simple courtesy and politeness, when we are in their country, to follow suite. To do otherwise is just being arrogant and insensitive.

You may feel differently. You are welcome to fell differently. But that is my view. I can ask people to respect that view, but I won't force it upon people.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:37 pm**

Royal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:09 pm
Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:39 pm That's completely different. When people talk about ISIS they are talking about a group of terrorists.
No different.

They are using an acronym which is understood (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria'). No different to TRNC being an acronym which is equally understood.

GOOD POST.
Geoff.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:44 pm**

Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:11 pm In simple grammatical terms they are both acronyms and yes they are both understood. But that's not the point. The point is, what term do the locals use, the Cypriots who live here? They don't use TRNC. It's only simple courtesy and politeness, when we are in their country, to follow suite. To do otherwise is just being arrogant and insensitive.

You may feel differently. You are welcome to fell differently. But that is my view. I can ask people to respect that view, but I won't force it upon people.

I respect your view, Dominic, and I also respect the fact that you are not enforcing your opinion as the owner/admin/moderator of PL. If I was talking to a GC, it's unlikely that I would use the term TRNC for the same reasons that if I was talking to a Falkland Islander, I would not use the term Malvinas. However, I am not aware of any GCs currently posting on the Forum, although clearly I may be wrong. Geoffreys tried (unsuccessfully) to establish if WHL was GC, in which case, I'm pretty sure that he would have tempered his terminology in respect.

I do not believe in being PC simply for the sake of being PC.

You can call it ‘The North’, ‘Northern Cyprus’, ‘The Occupied Area’, ‘North Of The Green Line’, ‘The Illegally Occupied Area’ ‘The TRNC’ and a whole host of other terms. As long as the person you are speaking to understands what you mean and is not (justifiably) offended by it, it really doesn't matter does it?

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:44 pm**

Occupied Cyprus

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:51 pm**

WHL wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:44 pmOccupied Cyprus

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. (William Shakespeare)

Wikipedia:

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" is a popular reference to William Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet, in which Juliet seems to argue that it does not matter that Romeo is from her rival's house of Montague, that is, that he is named "Montague." The reference is often used to imply that the names of things do not affect what they really are.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:51 pm**

Royal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:44 pm
Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:11 pm In simple grammatical terms they are both acronyms and yes they are both understood. But that's not the point. The point is, what term do the locals use, the Cypriots who live here? They don't use TRNC. It's only simple courtesy and politeness, when we are in their country, to follow suite. To do otherwise is just being arrogant and insensitive.

You may feel differently. You are welcome to fell differently. But that is my view. I can ask people to respect that view, but I won't force it upon people.
I respect your view, Dominic, and I also respect the fact that you are not enforcing your opinion as the owner/admin/moderator of PL. If I was talking to a GC, it's unlikely that I would use the term TRNC for the same reasons that if I was talking to a Falkland Islander, I would not use the term Malvinas. However, I am not aware of any GCs currently posting on the Forum, although clearly I may be wrong. Geoffreys tried (unsuccessfully) to establish if WHL was GC, in which case, I'm pretty sure that he would have tempered his terminology in respect.

I do not believe in being PC simply for the sake of being PC.

You can call it ‘The North’, ‘Northern Cyprus’, ‘The Occupied Area’, ‘North Of The Green Line’, ‘The Illegally Occupied Area’ ‘The TRNC’ and a whole host of other terms. As long as the person you are speaking to understands what you mean and is not (justifiably) offended by it, it really doesn't matter does it?

Glad to know I'm so popular"..I'm as British as you mate, but I didn't know Geoffrey was the forums self appointed passport inspector? And until his given that title ....he should mind his own business.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:52 pm**

Royal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:44 pm
Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:11 pm In simple grammatical terms they are both acronyms and yes they are both understood. But that's not the point. The point is, what term do the locals use, the Cypriots who live here? They don't use TRNC. It's only simple courtesy and politeness, when we are in their country, to follow suite. To do otherwise is just being arrogant and insensitive.

You may feel differently. You are welcome to fell differently. But that is my view. I can ask people to respect that view, but I won't force it upon people.
I respect your view, Dominic, and I also respect the fact that you are not enforcing your opinion as the owner/admin/moderator of PL. If I was talking to a GC, it's unlikely that I would use the term TRNC for the same reasons that if I was talking to a Falkland Islander, I would not use the term Malvinas. However, I am not aware of any GCs currently posting on the Forum, although clearly I may be wrong. Geoffreys tried (unsuccessfully) to establish if WHL was GC, in which case, I'm pretty sure that he would have tempered his terminology in respect.

I do not believe in being PC simply for the sake of being PC.

You can call it ‘The North’, ‘Northern Cyprus’, ‘The Occupied Area’, ‘North Of The Green Line’, ‘The Illegally Occupied Area’ ‘The TRNC’ and a whole host of other terms. As long as the person you are speaking to understands what you mean and is not (justifiably) offended by it, it really doesn't matter does it?

You are confusing PC with common courtesy.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:55 pm**

No, Dominic. You are.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:00 pm**

There is nothing politically correct about using language that doesn't offend the local population. It is just good manners.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:04 pm**

Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:00 pm There is nothing politically correct about using language that doesn't offend the local population. It is just good manners.

Let me ask you a question, Dominic:

If you were in Belfast would you refer to being in 'Northern Ireland', 'Ulster' or 'The North of Ireland'? Depending on who you were talking to, it would be an important point...

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:50 pm**

I would call it Northern Ireland.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:53 pm**

OK

If you were speaking o a Nationalist, that would be considered offensive, so I assume that you would change your terminology?

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:14 pm**

The situation would never arise. I am never going to visit Northern Ireland. I am never going to visit Belfast. Nothing personal to either location, but it is not on my radar.

I went out with an Irish girl for a couple of years, on and off. She was from Cork City. I can't remember once ever having an issue with any of her friends, or anybody from NI or Eire, as to what I should call the place. But if, on visiting Cork City, it was obvious that they preferred to call NI the North of Ireland, and I was having a conversation with them about it, then I would be happy to call it the North of Ireland.

Also, I think it is wrong to assume that Cypriots will never want to read this forum, or this website. I have asked Cypriots for permission to use clips and photos in the past, and they have been more than happy to oblige. And there are certainly some members with Cypriot email names.

Posted: **Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:19 am**

I think we are indeed seeing more and more non brits joining the forums. The thing is though that their command of the english language is so good that unless they tell us no one would ever know. It always shames me that we brits in general are not fluent in other languages yet many people who I met in Cyprus - polish,bulgarians,german,dutch etc are fluent in several.I think it is great that they do join the forums and we can see other nationalities perspectives on issues.

Posted: **Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:09 pm**

Royal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:04 pm
Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:00 pm There is nothing politically correct about using language that doesn't offend the local population. It is just good manners.
Let me ask you a question, Dominic:

If you were in Belfast would you refer to being in 'Northern Ireland', 'Ulster' or 'The North of Ireland'? Depending on who you were talking to, it would be an important point...

It isn’t Ulster.... unless you expect them to include counties in Eire....

Northern Ireland is the political state. Or province. The point of Nationalists referring to the North of Ireland is correct, in some cases, not many, people would talk in such terms.

Posted: **Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:35 pm**

Jimgward wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:09 pm
Royal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:04 pm
Dominic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:00 pm There is nothing politically correct about using language that doesn't offend the local population. It is just good manners.
Let me ask you a question, Dominic:

If you were in Belfast would you refer to being in 'Northern Ireland', 'Ulster' or 'The North of Ireland'? Depending on who you were talking to, it would be an important point...
It isn’t Ulster.... unless you expect them to include counties in Eire....

Northern Ireland is the political state. Or province. The point of Nationalists referring to the North of Ireland is correct, in some cases, not many, people would talk in such terms.

Look again at my question. Belfast is in fact in Ulster. It is also in Northern Ireland and it is also in the North of Ireland.

The whole point of the question is that places may be called different names depending on political persuasions or sensitivities, but that they nevertheless refer to the same place.

Posted: **Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:13 pm**

Royal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:35 pm
Jimgward wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:09 pm
Royal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:04 pm

Let me ask you a question, Dominic:

If you were in Belfast would you refer to being in 'Northern Ireland', 'Ulster' or 'The North of Ireland'? Depending on who you were talking to, it would be an important point...
It isn’t Ulster.... unless you expect them to include counties in Eire....

Northern Ireland is the political state. Or province. The point of Nationalists referring to the North of Ireland is correct, in some cases, not many, people would talk in such terms.
Look again at my question. Belfast is in fact in Ulster. It is also in Northern Ireland and it is also in the North of Ireland.

The whole point of the question is that places may be called different names depending on political persuasions or sensitivities, but that they nevertheless refer to the same place.

OK, I was factually incorrect, but from an political viewpoint, I can't imagine Belfast being referred to as Ulster? I know most Unionists talk of Ulster, but it is in fact incorrect, since they really mean Northern Ireland. The Uber Nationalists never talk of Northern Ireland or Ulster, in reference to the 6 counties. The Uber Unionists always talk Ulster, partly as they don't want to refer to "Ireland' - which they don't want to be part of.

So, Royal (or Hudswell

) I was wrong....

Posted: **Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:19 pm**

Hudswell wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:43 pm In regard to Cyprus, I usually refer to the North...as the North....

Me too!

Shane

Posted: **Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:00 am**

Personally, I find none of the titles given to be offensive in any way, & find it a bit strange that anyone would, Ireland is historically made up of 4 provinces, Ulster being one of them.
If & when the people decide on re-unification, I will be quite happy to call the country of my birth the 4th Province.
( Belfast being where I was born ).

I too refer to Northern Cyprus as ' The North '

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