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Re: Planning permission
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:47 pm
by Firefly
Err I think what Cypriots can get away with, compared to what Brits can get away with are two very different things. You may very well not need planning permission, but I would check with the Land Registry, they are the ones who will know for sure.
Jackie
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:21 pm
by PaphosAL
Agree with Austin here. Just so long as it doesn't cover the entire back garden, but only occupies a reasonable square metreage of it? After all, it's hardly an attached extension to the main house, just a garden feature, surely?
One that that could fairly easily be demounted and sold on to somebody else? If you buy a 6 piece patio furniture set, comprising table, 4 folding chairs, and a nice wind-up parasol, does this need including on your building plans and logged at Land Registry?
Come on please, folks, we're having a laugh here, are we not? Cheers- AL
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:37 pm
by Dominic
I'm interested to see if Hudswell posts an opinion. Curious if lightning will strike twice.
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:03 pm
by Expresspete
You read it right Austin7. It will be an open (all four sides) Pergola (with a tiled roof) unattached to the house and on raised (30cms) decking. I have full Title Deeds.
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:44 pm
by PaphosAL
And the size, compared to existing garden square metreage, Peter?
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:58 pm
by Expresspete
I'd guess at 10 to 15% - certainly under 20% of the complete exterior space Al
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:31 am
by PaphosAL
There you go then! What possible obstacle would that impose on you with the local council and Land Registry officialdom? It's simply a added (and moveable) garden feature, at the end of the day, is it not?
Why on earth should a structure such as this need planning permission and inclusion on the TD site plan with Land Registry? When you might move, and take it with you! Madness...
Cheers- AL
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:31 am
by humpinghummer
From my experience a few years ago, any structure that has a “permanent” roof needs planning consent / permit. I know this as I was prosecuted for quite a large pergola type building, admittedly is was a bit of an ugly structure but the district planner was in the area at the time over a road dispute and noticed the new structure and prosecuted me, also bear in mind that breaking planning laws is classed as a criminal offence not a civil matter.
The judge was pretty upset that it had taken 8 months for the court summons to be served on me as I was in the UK every time the bailiff came around so I had my passport taken from me also but I managed to get it back after 6 months by submitting a 5000 euro court bond.
He also caught me with my hands in my pockets in the court room and was screaming at me in Greek to remove them and have respect for the court, not knowing Greek I did not understand and I was nearly arrested for contempt of court
It took 2 years for the case to be eventually heard and I was fined 1000 euros and 1800 in costs, plus a demolition order was placed on the structure. I removed the roof after this and left the structure in place and now have the roof area covered with a grape vine.
I tried feebly to argue that as the posts of the structures were not bolted to the floor and were free standing, it was not a permanent structure but the judge was having none of that. Apparently If you put the posts on wheels and can demonstrate the structure can move in all 4 directions then you can get away with it.
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:46 am
by geoffreys
humpinghummer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:31 am
From my experience a few years ago, any structure that has a “permanent” roof needs planning consent / permit. I know this as I was prosecuted for quite a large pergola type building, admittedly is was a bit of an ugly structure but the district planner was in the area at the time over a road dispute and noticed the new structure and prosecuted me, also bear in mind that breaking planning laws is classed as a criminal offence not a civil matter.
The judge was pretty upset that it had taken 8 months for the court summons to be served on me as I was in the UK every time the bailiff came around so I had my passport taken from me also but I managed to get it back after 6 months by submitting a 5000 euro court bond.
He also caught me with my hands in my pockets in the court room and was screaming at me in Greek to remove them and have respect for the court, not knowing Greek I did not understand and I was nearly arrested for contempt of court
It took 2 years for the case to be eventually heard and I was fined 1000 euros and 1800 in costs, plus a demolition order was placed on the structure. I removed the roof after this and left the structure in place and now have the roof area covered with a grape vine.
I tried feebly to argue that as the posts of the structures were not bolted to the floor and were free standing, it was not a permanent structure but the judge was having none of that. Apparently If you put the posts on wheels and can demonstrate the structure can move in all 4 directions then you can get away with it.
An unfortunate experience, thank you for sharing it with us.
Rather makes the point that one should do things the proper and legal way!
I rest my case.
Geoff.
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:43 am
by cyprusmax47
Termites Dream wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:22 am
Expresspete....You don't mention if you are near a neighbour. unless I have missed it. I have built a carport based on a pergola. I was advised that I had to get the permission of my neighbour within a certain distance of the boundary by our Muktar. This may not apply to you but perhaps WHL may be able to comment. My neighbour gave permission, so all good.
Everyone has to stay away 3 m from the boundaries for any building ( you 3 m and the neighbour 3 m ) if somebody questions that than you can go and ask your architect if this is still the case
Max
Re: Planning permission
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:13 pm
by trevnhil
cyprusmax47 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:43 am
Termites Dream wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:22 am
Expresspete....You don't mention if you are near a neighbour. unless I have missed it. I have built a carport based on a pergola. I was advised that I had to get the permission of my neighbour within a certain distance of the boundary by our Muktar. This may not apply to you but perhaps WHL may be able to comment. My neighbour gave permission, so all good.
Everyone has to stay away 3 m from the boundaries for any building ( you 3 m and the neighbour 3 m ) if somebody questions that than you can go and ask your architect if this is still the case
Max
I don't believe that you have to be 3 mts from the boundary for ANY building. Our architect informed us that you can build an open car port for example right up to the boundary line, if it is not enclosed with 4 walls.
