Paphos Life

Jim B wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:55 pm Yes Jaqs, as usual I think you missed something

http://news.sky.com/story/applications- ... e-10913295

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40248366

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 85511.html

How many do you want me to post Jaqs? There are the headlines from across the spectrum of media, not personal presumption???? or poetic licence. I do stick to the facts, unfortunately you choose to ignore them.

Jim

Sky, BBC, Telegraph, Independent ( )... all pro Brxit publications obviously....

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:22 pm

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:28 pm 96% is an official figure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

It's in all the rags.

Call me a skeptic, *you're a skeptic!" but the graph in the article provided rather shows a boom in the months leading up to the vote (as would be expected) and an (obviously steep) decline thereafter...

It would be interesting to know what the figure was in say April 2015.

But then I suppose, "number of EU nurses fall by 10%" wouldn't make anywhere near such a good headline...

Jim, go back to your post, you added ONE link. It mentioned nothing about Brexit!!! Stop moving the Goalposts when you are challenged!!!

Jaqs

The link I posted was in reference to lowering the bar (not moving it) for Nursing applicants command of English which in turn relates to a shortage of EU applicants directly related to Brexit. Have a look at the title of the thread.

Jim

CG
I thought Sky and the Telegraph were avid Brexit supporters but not according to you; oh well you live and learn, Straws, grasping, at, spring to mind.

Jim

Jim B wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:16 pm Jaqs

The link I posted was in reference to lowering the bar (not moving it) for Nursing applicants command of English which in turn relates to a shortage of EU applicants directly related to Brexit. Have a look at the title of the thread.

Jim

So...

Would you be happy (in a hypothetical situation where you had been admitted to a hospital in the UK) if the staff could not communicate with you in English...?

Jim B wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:19 pm CG
I thought Sky and the Telegraph were avid Brexit supporters but not according to you; oh well you live and learn, Straws, grasping, at, spring to mind.

Jim

Of course...

My mistake...

Both Sky and The Telegraph are completely 100% pro Brexit and would never, ever post articles portraying Brexit negatively nor the EU positively...

Jim B wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:51 pm No Rita , I just have a poor opinion of some of the people who come from the country I do care about. Below is an article from the Telegraph how the people who govern us (who are not putting the interests of the born and bred citizens of the country first) are discussing lowering the standard of English required for Nursing Recruits because of the fall in EU applicants due to the Brexit. Many British trained Nurses are going abroad for better pay and opportunities, that's one of the reasons there is a fall in British Nurses working in the NHS.

What I wrote was tongue in cheek (did you not see the wink) but most Europeans English is excellent. Oh and every month I pay taxes into the coffers of the UK Government so have as much right as anyone else to comment on how our taxes are spent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05 ... gn-nurses/

Jim

Many British trained Nurses have gone abroad when qualified since time began and certainly long before the EU came into existence so please do not now add that to what you said. No need to guide me to The Daily Telegraph I take it every day. Both on this site and the former Cyprus Living you have posted ad infinitum criticism of the UK particularly when it involves you and your family - self interest comes to mind. You also criticise those who voted to leave the EU and continue along with others of your ilk to gloatingly hope all goes bad for the UK. As for adding a wink I consider some things are both more important and serious than to be treated as a jest.

I pay taxes too so dont add that old chestnut as your entitlement to demonise the country - did you not advise in another post how it is possible to obtain a Cypriot passport? dont bother to reply to that you said it all.

Rita Sherry

Jim B wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:51 pm No Rita , I just have a poor opinion of some of the people who come from the country I do care about. Below is an article from the Telegraph how the people who govern us (who are not putting the interests of the born and bred citizens of the country first) are discussing lowering the standard of English required for Nursing Recruits because of the fall in EU applicants due to the Brexit. Many British trained Nurses are going abroad for better pay and opportunities, that's one of the reasons there is a fall in British Nurses working in the NHS.

What I wrote was tongue in cheek (did you not see the wink) but most Europeans English is excellent. Oh and every month I pay taxes into the coffers of the UK Government so have as much right as anyone else to comment on how our taxes are spent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05 ... gn-nurses/

Jim

No need to direct me to The Daily Telegraph I take it as my daily newspaper so have already read said article and the contribution of those who are strongly advising against the proposals. Since time began nurses have gone abroad to work long before the EU came into existence. In all your posts both on this site and its predecessor Cyprus Living you have constantly demonised the UK. You are not the only one who pays taxes and whilst many others do likewise and make legitimate criticism you in contrast having nothing good to say about the UK to the extent you are virtually gloating as and when it has problems.

Rita

Sorry Jim, you've lost the plot. As I said, stop moving the goalposts just because you're original post quite simply did not support the point you were attempting to make!

Rita's subsequent posts underline your devious means to 'prove' your point. That would be a major FAIL then Jim??

What everyone is missing is Brexit means no automatic right to work in the UK for EU nationals...but rather the UK has control of who comes in..like Australia successfully does..so in the future if the UK needs nurses to come and work in the NHS..then it will bring them in.....makes sense to me.

Yes agreed, but we have been saying as much for months.

Herefordshire Health Authority in it's wisdom, has employed a Chief Exec from Australia, (maybe she'll bring a few nurses with her) It is paying her a staggering £12.000 in re-location expenses, no wonder the NHS is buckling at the knees. If she fits the bill, and there is no British Citizen suitable for the post, ok, but surely if she wants to work in the UK it's up to her to pay for her ticket.

Jackie

hmm, I remember us kids did the farm work in the 70's, yes I know driving tractors, getting in the wheat/corn etc etc - we even used to drive our tractors past the local PC at 12 years old- ok, child labour but we did it then and enjoyed it (We only fitted "L" plates on the tractors when Stephen and Myself were 16 and actually has a license). Even carried a 6" knife with me at all times (necessary tool of the trade). What has changed? If there is a requirement for nurses, there are loads available that speak english, Asia comes to mind, why restrict recuitment to 27 countries only?

Digby

Lincoln wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:53 pm £12,000-00 re-location is chicken feed. I was paid a similar amount to relocate to Saudi Arabia and given a rent paid Villa as well. This was many years ago. She should be getting something like £30,000-00.

I was going to say the same about relocation packages but ............... surely they can find someone in the UK suitably qualified & experienced to do the job!


Shane

ApusApus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:22 pm

Lincoln wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:53 pm £12,000-00 re-location is chicken feed. I was paid a similar amount to relocate to Saudi Arabia and given a rent paid Villa as well. This was many years ago. She should be getting something like £30,000-00.

I was going to say the same about relocation packages but ............... surely they can find someone in the UK suitably qualified & experienced to do the job!


Shane

One would think so, but sometimes, someone from elsewhere brings a fresh outlook to an industry stuck in standard practices. So why not? As to £12k.....thats chickenfeed for someone earning close to £200k. They may even have saved many times the relocation in bringing someone in!

We’re in crisis, say firms as EU workers shun UK: New research shows businesses want to delay Brexit
Half of UK firms want to delay Brexit after shock General Election result

• 43 per cent of firms have seen a fall in job applications from EU citizens
  86 per cent of businesses are convinced that a soft Brexit is the best option
  The number of EU nurses registering to work in the UK had fallen by 96 per cent

Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news ... z4kO24TPwZ
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http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news ... un-UK.html

Thus article shows that almost half of UK businesses report a fall in recruits from the EU. Most businesses also want a delay in Brexit due to the GE. Most also want a soft Brexit. Most also have hughes concerns.

This was reported in Sunday Mail Finance Section.

I don't believe this for a moment! Look at all the EU workers in Cyprus - I knew many of them from Poland,Romania etc etc. Why did they come to Cyprus ? Because it was relatively near for visits home but crucially it was paid employment albeit not well paid as we all know so why are they going to turn tbeir backs on England when they are much better paid than their own country?Of course they are nervous re Brexit but they should not be as if they have the skills that we need I can guarantee there will be no problem. Surely just by closing the door to those who have not got the skills required will alone cut the immigration figures.

You're consistent. I'll give you that. Any article that you don't agree with, you don't believe it or it's rubbish.

Lincoln

You may well have been paid that amount from Saudi Arabia, a very rich country which didn't have anyone qualified to do the job you were employed to do. The UK is vastly different, as I see it, we could have used that money within the NHS for a better purpose.

Jackie

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:43 am Ironically the Daily Mail and Daily Express have been the newspapers most vociferously pro-Brexit.

That EU citizens would no longer wish to risk working in the UK was one of the most inevitable consequences of Brexit. Why didn't peeps see that coming?

Too bloomin' late now

Now I would agree with you here!

I'm sure its absolutely co-incidental, and has nothing to do with the matter in hand, but has anyone noticed the amazing correlation between the drop in applications and the fact that, after a few scandals of deaths related to miscommunication between medical staff the NHS has been obliged to introduce an English language competency test as a part of their recruitment process.

I mean, I know Brexit is to blame for every potentially economically disadvantageous effect from now until the sun cools so it has nothing to do with anything, and I wouldn't presume to suggest otherwise.

Still, weird eh?