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Re: The UK Government Is Completely Deluded About Brexit
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:17 pm
by PhotoLady
Yes josef k, that pretty much sums up my feelings as well.
Re: The UK Government Is Completely Deluded About Brexit
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 7:46 pm
by Rita Sherry
Josef k
You and I at least are in total agreement on one thing - you say "there never should have been a referendum" my thoughts and view entirely. You qualify that statement by suggesting the matter should have been determined by a General Election ( You will of course appreciate that at the time Parliament was fixed for a 5 year term save for certain conditions which I dont think are necessary to go into now - suffice to say those conditions have arisen and Parliament agreed a General Election). During the period 2010/2015 Mr Cameron did state he would have a referendum should he be re-elected at the next election and it was included in the Conservative Manifesto.
My post, to which you have kindly replied, was addressed to Lloyd and Road Warrior based on comments they had earlier made plus others of like minded views. In the portion you quote I did say, " I realise, and exclude from my view, those who likewise voted to remain but have reluctantly decided the decision has been made and we must endeavour to make the best of it". There was no criticism of you or any other person who voted "remain" that was your choice and one you rightly defend but without the constant rancour etc which has been displayed (by both sides) since the decision was made.
Please permit me to attempt to respond to some of the points which anger you and emphasise it is my personal view of them.
Item 1 "Re the in or out option without explaining the consequence" - As I see it nobody could actually foresee the consequences because exit has never
occurred before (Greenland is not the same issue).
Item 2 "The Government unable to publish any detailed & comprehensive stance re leave decision unlike EU who have published theirs" - As the UK is
about to commence negotiations it would, again in my view, be futile to show ones hand prior to commencement.
Item 3 "Non reassurance to key industries Banking, Finance,Farming and Charities" I dont know but I would be very surprised indeed if talks have not taken place with some, if not all, of these industries in an attempt to allay some of these fears.
Item 4 "No intent on involvement of Parliament" I am not sure that this is totally accurate but again if Parliament wishes a blow by blow account on
on every single item of discussion it would, again in my view, be self defeating. Government is elected to carry out the wishes of the people.
Despite all the cynicism expressed on this and other forums regarding untrustworthy politicians I can say myself, having worked for over 40 years with them, that by and large they do really have the interests of the populace at their core and I say that on behalf of them irrespective of party allegiance despite having my preference for the party of my choice as Government.
Best wishes
Rita
Re: The UK Government Is Completely Deluded About Brexit
Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 3:44 pm
by josef k
Thanks for your calm and measured reply Rita. I don't agree with all you say but, hey ho, that's the way it is.
However, you do seem to have a rather rosy view of politicians. I was actively involved in politics in the past, not as an MP I should add, and my view is less than rosy. Yes, many do have the interests of their constituents at heart, but only after they have dealt with their own interests.
Re: The UK Government Is Completely Deluded About Brexit
Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 3:57 pm
by Dominic
Rita Sherry wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 7:46 pm
Item 4 "No intent on involvement of Parliament" I am not sure that this is totally accurate but again if Parliament wishes a blow by blow account on
on every single item of discussion it would, again in my view, be self defeating. Government is elected to carry out the wishes of the people.
This is at odds at the view of those who voted to leave because they wanted more democracy, is it not?