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Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:35 pm
by Jim B
If Corbyn had any sense he would have the Labour Party vote against It, better to let them stew in a mess of their own making..

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:44 pm
by Jimgward
Corbyn, being unelectable, would be as well opposing, as he won't lose more members than he already has...

May is showing, yet again, that she will swing wth the wind... I don't see that as strong, she should have foreseen and decided previously... now she comes across as a ditherer... which I think she is...

She is also not allowing TV debates....

from C4 news...

Election 2017: No TV debates this time

No 10 is saying there will be no TV debates cluttering up your screens in this election.

Rather than go down the route of pretending they’re longing for such things to happen but the logistics might be tricky they’ve gone for a more open approach: forget it.

Don’t expect many press conferences either or extended interviews.

Theresa May is not a huge fan of these sorts of encounters and her team think they open up risks that don’t need to be taken. So the 2017 general election will make the 2015 one look like “access all areas” as far as the Tories are concerned.

I hear the manifesto will probably be a slimmed down affair too. Mrs May didn’t think much of the 2015 effort with its 500 or so commitments. One minister said it was a “Christmas tree” of a document and “written without any thought to post-Brexit Britain.” But quite how much shape Mrs May wants to put on post -Brexit Britain at this stage is another matter.

What will the immigration, agriculture or state aid sections of the manifesto look like? How much will Mrs May want to spell out ring-fencing or the end of ring-fencing for some departments? What will she want to say about the pensioner triple lock in an election in which differential generational turnout could be key?

Theresa May’s team have had more time to ponder these things because they knew an early election was a possibility but it’s not clear how advanced the work is and whether it will be a manifesto more of themes than commitments.

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:59 pm
by Jimgym
Many have accused May of not having a mandate to govern the country, so, she is asking for such. She is now being criticised for calling an election having previously spoken against it. So, in the eyes of some she loses either way. I think May is far more astute than many give her credit for, and will do a good job for Britain as, unlike many, she has a spine, something that seems to be sadly lacking these days.....

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:06 pm
by smudger
Good post Allan, spot on. Mays detractors are clutching at straws, she is an astute and clever leader, making exactly the right moves and statements to ensure Brexit goes through without the time wasting detractions of Corbyn, Farron or Sturgeon. Good for her.

Backbone my mother would have called it.

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:17 pm
by surreyboy
aphrodite wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:25 pm
surreyboy wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:44 pm
aphrodite wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:30 pm Very clever!

This will be the first time in my adult life that I will not be able to vote. I think all Brits overseas should be able to have a say. :cry:
Try this Aphrodite: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
Thanks surreyboy, but I've been living outside the UK for more than 15 years and therefore not elible to vote, I couldn't vote in the referendum. I had been voting up until then by proxy vote.

See here, this will explain
Sorry about that, didn't realise that you had been an 'alien' for so long :oops:

May made my day!

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:06 pm
by Mark
Pound at 119.65 and climbing!

May will also make May 2017 much better financially if the good news continues.

(Pardon the pun)

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:13 pm
by Maggie B
Yep Jimgym, you've TOTALLY got this subject nailed. Well, it's the way I see it too. . . . . . . So it must be right! 🤔🤔😅😅😅

Maggie B

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:53 pm
by PhotoLady
Social Media alert!

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Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:06 pm
by Dominic
Jimgward wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:44 pm Corbyn, being unelectable, would be as well opposing, as he won't lose more members than he already has...

May is showing, yet again, that she will swing wth the wind... I don't see that as strong, she should have foreseen and decided previously... now she comes across as a ditherer... which I think she is...

She is also not allowing TV debates....

from C4 news...

Election 2017: No TV debates this time

No 10 is saying there will be no TV debates cluttering up your screens in this election.

Rather than go down the route of pretending they’re longing for such things to happen but the logistics might be tricky they’ve gone for a more open approach: forget it.

Don’t expect many press conferences either or extended interviews.

Theresa May is not a huge fan of these sorts of encounters and her team think they open up risks that don’t need to be taken. So the 2017 general election will make the 2015 one look like “access all areas” as far as the Tories are concerned.

I hear the manifesto will probably be a slimmed down affair too. Mrs May didn’t think much of the 2015 effort with its 500 or so commitments. One minister said it was a “Christmas tree” of a document and “written without any thought to post-Brexit Britain.” But quite how much shape Mrs May wants to put on post -Brexit Britain at this stage is another matter.

What will the immigration, agriculture or state aid sections of the manifesto look like? How much will Mrs May want to spell out ring-fencing or the end of ring-fencing for some departments? What will she want to say about the pensioner triple lock in an election in which differential generational turnout could be key?

Theresa May’s team have had more time to ponder these things because they knew an early election was a possibility but it’s not clear how advanced the work is and whether it will be a manifesto more of themes than commitments.
Those debates were an embarrassing farce.

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:04 am
by Lynsab
You don't think it could also be to do with 30 Tory MP's about to be charged with falsifying election expenses. She was in danger of losing her slim majority.

Neither do I think it was a smart move, it's quite easy to see the opposition is in disarray....saying you're not having a snap election for 10 months then suddenly calling one could have been predicted giving the divide she has in parliament....

It's just another five weeks of more bull.....there was a quick survey of people on the street yestrday asking their opinions, I think there's little stomach for it...

But nevertheless he we go again.... :roll:

I'm hoping, but know I won't get lucky, that the dreadful ex ex leader of UKIP will be on not be on the news AGAIN, hells bells... :twisted:

just when I thought I could safely put my tv on for longer than an hour without seeing that awful grimace.... :lol:

I'm being bombarded already by several social media campaigns ( 48%, women against UKIP, etc etc) to not vote for Tory or UKIP....I'm almost sure that people still in turmoil will not know which way to vote....albeit we know article 50 is triggered, it now means to me what party would see us thru the storm correctly....jeez... :|

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:34 am
by Alewfin
Jim B wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:35 pm If Corbyn had any sense he would have the Labour Party vote against It, better to let them stew in a mess of their own making..
Totally agree Jim. Given what the polls are saying with the strong possibility that many Labour MPs will lose their seats I fail to see how voting for an election will enhance the Labour party other than the likelihood that there would be the inevitable infighting coup to replace Corbyn which in itself will be a positive thing as he is totally useless.

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:05 am
by WHL
Lynsab wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:04 am You don't think it could also be to do with 30 Tory MP's about to be charged with falsifying election expenses. She was in danger of losing her slim majority.

Neither do I think it was a smart move, it's quite easy to see the opposition is in disarray....saying you're not having a snap election for 10 months then suddenly calling one could have been predicted giving the divide she has in parliament....

It's just another five weeks of more bull.....there was a quick survey of people on the street yestrday asking their opinions, I think there's little stomach for it...

But nevertheless he we go again.... :roll:

I'm hoping, but know I won't get lucky, that the dreadful ex ex leader of UKIP will be on not be on the news AGAIN, hells bells... :twisted:

just when I thought I could safely put my tv on for longer than an hour without seeing that awful grimace.... :lol:


I'm being bombarded already by several social media campaigns ( 48%, women against UKIP, etc etc) to not vote for Tory or UKIP....I'm almost sure that people still in turmoil will not know which way to vote....albeit we know article 50 is triggered, it now means to me what party would see us thru the storm correctly....jeez... :|
Snap, I feel exactly the same, when I see Corbyn,and his bunch of luvvies on the box :lol:

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:51 pm
by Jim B
I just saw the front page of the Mail and it wouldn't be out of place in Nazi Germany. A disgusting "newspaper".

Jim

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:39 pm
by PaphosAL
A picture, or link, please, Jim B? Searched, but cannot find what you are referring to...

Cheers- AL :?:

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:07 pm
by PhotoLady
Jim B / AL

Is it this you are referring to?

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Huffington post comments/article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/d ... 063d351410

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:26 pm
by josef k
Presumably by saboteurs she means those who disagree with her. It feels a bit like Turkey doesn't it.

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:32 pm
by Lynsab
Disgraceful headlines, but it's the Daily Hate...to be expected...

Those right wing newspapers won't like this article in the Guardian, but of course it's the opposing voice...


Crush the saboteurs! The headline in the Daily Mail, the newspaper that now wears the mantle of the voice of Theresa May with a flamboyant confidence, was reassuring to anyone who might have wondered if they’d overegged their reaction to the election announcement. Yep, that’s right, she really doesn’t think opposition is acceptable.

But for the Mail, there’s more to it than that. The saboteurs are not just messing with the Brexit agenda, nor even the popular will. They are jeopardising the promise of a nostalgia-rich future of the kind inhabited by Jonathan Waterer, a Devon farmer who shuns tractors in favour of shire horses. Pages two and three of today’s Mail are devoted to a double-page spread of the majestic sight of five shires ploughing abreast. Not great for grain yields, maybe, but fantastic to look at, and without the common agriculture policy there won’t be any Eurocrats telling him he’s breaking the rules.

May is really asking for what was once called a doctor’s mandate. That is, the power to do whatever it takes.
Meanwhile, in the Sun, to which she gave an “exclusive chat”, she was quite explicit about the need to stop MPs “subverting the will of the people”. The front page hinted at the fury that might be unleashed – a poll to “kill off” Labour, “smash rebel Tories” and commit “Blue murder” – if she was thwarted by elected representatives doing the job for which they are paid.

Of course, May is not to blame for the way her actions are interpreted. But there is something chilling about the way she is ready to ride in their slipstream.


More here.....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... heresa-may

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-not-need

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:39 pm
by Jimgward
I really don't understand May's references to being hindered, as Article 50 has been submitted, approved by the Lords and she hasn't been opposed... She seems to be inventing conflict that isn't there, or in truth, hiding the conflict her own party is giving behind closed doors...

Any opposition to any aspect of Brexit is as you're expect from opposition. She already has an unassailable position in parliament and Labour are backing Brexit.... so all this "saboteur" nonsense is just that....

If she feels she needed to change her mind on a GE and there are reasons for it, then state them and don't hide behind rhetoric...

I never understood why she didn't call a GE right away anyway.... perhaps her own party are pressurising more than we know. She certainly went straight from her press announcement to meet the 1822 committee - perhaps as this was where the 'saboteurs' really were?

She will increase her seats in the GE and be in a position to ignore dissenters in her own party, the only way she could currently not get something through.... She had nothing to worry about with Labour and the SNP couldn't have prevented anything without Labour joining...

As it is, the SNP look like increasing their share of the vote in Scotland, so she won't gain anything there. They already have 50% and even if it dropped, she can hardly call 50% a need, when she will never have 50% in the UK.

That's perhaps why the Scottish papers are already calling this the GE that will breakup the Union.

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:44 pm
by PaphosAL
Spookey, but it feels even more like Lenin in Russia, 1917, josef, never mind Erdogan today. Are they both reading from the same song sheet, I wonder? (May and Erdogan, that is)

"Crush the Saboteurs" statement was Lenin. Did Theresa May actually state that? If not, certain sections of the UK Press should be ashamed of themselves for printing FAKE NEWS and should be heavily fined accordingly...

Re: Theresa May announcement

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:05 pm
by Jimgward
PaphosAL wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:44 pm Spookey, but it feels even more like Lenin in Russia, 1917, josef, never mind Erdogan today. Are they both reading from the same song sheet, I wonder? (May and Erdogan, that is)

"Crush the Saboteurs" statement was Lenin. Did Theresa May actually state that? If not, certain sections of the UK Press should be ashamed of themselves for printing FAKE NEWS and should be heavily fined accordingly...
May rightly distanced herself from that.... but interestingly, did an exclusive to the Sun, who used the same term ...

So, are we to assume a phrase rarely every used - in fact, as you stated, last by Lenin, was used by two separate newspapers, independent of each other? :roll: