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Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:14 pm
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:44 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:14 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:30 pm
No it isnt but it is full of dodgy German money,
but the Germans are not going to investigate their own , when they can clobber Little Cyprus.
Because it seems Cyprus is giving out EU-passports to criminals which gives them e. g. the right to take up residence in Germany?
Please, the Germans had their dodgy money in Liechtenstein, way before Cyprus was even in the EU
After all the tax-CD scandals I doubt there is much dodgy German money left in Liechtenstein (German tax authorities bought CDs from bank employees with names and adresses of account holders). And even if there was - why should that mean they have to accept criminals being given an EU passport which gives them almost citizenship rights in Germany?
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:09 pm
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:14 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:44 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:14 pm
Because it seems Cyprus is giving out EU-passports to criminals which gives them e. g. the right to take up residence in Germany?
Please, the Germans had their dodgy money in Liechtenstein, way before Cyprus was even in the EU
After all the tax-CD scandals I doubt there is much dodgy German money left in Liechtenstein (German tax authorities bought CDs from bank employees with names and adresses of account holders). And even if there was - why should that mean they have to accept criminals being given an EU passport which gives them almost citizenship rights in Germany?
Sorry but if you think there isn't any corruption in the EU s largest economy, you really cant be that gullible ?
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:45 am
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:09 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:14 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:44 pm
Please, the Germans had their dodgy money in Liechtenstein, way before Cyprus was even in the EU
After all the tax-CD scandals I doubt there is much dodgy German money left in Liechtenstein (German tax authorities bought CDs from bank employees with names and adresses of account holders). And even if there was - why should that mean they have to accept criminals being given an EU passport which gives them almost citizenship rights in Germany?
Sorry but if you think there isn't any corruption in the EU s largest economy, you really cant be that gullible ?
What makes you think that I think that? And what does it have to do with the topic?
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:18 am
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:45 am
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:09 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:14 pm
After all the tax-CD scandals I doubt there is much dodgy German money left in Liechtenstein (German tax authorities bought CDs from bank employees with names and adresses of account holders). And even if there was - why should that mean they have to accept criminals being given an EU passport which gives them almost citizenship rights in Germany?
Sorry but if you think there isn't any corruption in the EU s largest economy, you really cant be that gullible ?
What makes you think that I think that? And what does it have to do with the topic?
Because you never mention it, when we are discussing corruption in the EU, we only hear about Cyprus.
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:43 pm
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:18 am
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:45 am
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:09 pm
Sorry but if you think there isn't any corruption in the EU s largest economy, you really cant be that gullible ?
What makes you think that I think that? And what does it have to do with the topic?
Because you never mention it, when we are discussing corruption in the EU, we only hear about Cyprus.
That's quite a weak basis for jumping to conclusions, especially given that AFAIR I haven't even joined a disxussion on corroption before. So why would I have been supposed to mention it?
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:49 pm
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:43 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:18 am
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:45 am
What makes you think that I think that? And what does it have to do with the topic?
Because you never mention it, when we are discussing corruption in the EU, we only hear about Cyprus.
That's quite a weak basis for jumping to conclusions, especially given that AFAIR I haven't even joined a disxussion on corroption before. So why would I have been supposed to mention it?
Ok its very simple, Do you think that there is financial corruption in Germany as well as Cyprus, simple question?
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:55 pm
by Mirek
Maybe there are things going on in other countries but the documentary on Al Jahzehra it was Cyprus demonstrated on public media
It seemed what been going on in Cyprus and Malta and seemed to be a slick well oiled machine of corruption in place
Sort of made it easier and handed it on a plate to the EU
Whether the net widens I think will depend on just how bad the situation is in Cyprus if I was a guessing man
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:57 pm
by WHL
No country is free of corruption, some are better at hiding it then others.
https://fcpablog.com/2020/07/30/at-larg ... ate-crime/
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:07 pm
by Jimgward
I agree that corruption exists almost everywhere, from 'soft' corruption, like the awarding of contracts, to others.
The UK is certainly MUCH more corrupt now, under Boris, than in recent history. These emergency powers allowing awarding of multi-billion pound contracts to Deloittes and Serco are the tip of the iceberg. We all know that the 'newer' the country administration, such as Cyprus, the more corruption tends to occur. But even established democracies, like Italy, are totally corrupt. But then, the EU itself has never passed an audit process! There is corruption there ....
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:33 pm
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:49 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:43 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:18 am
Because you never mention it, when we are discussing corruption in the EU, we only hear about Cyprus.
That's quite a weak basis for jumping to conclusions, especially given that AFAIR I haven't even joined a disxussion on corroption before. So why would I have been supposed to mention it?
Ok its very simple, Do you think that there is financial corruption in Germany as well as Cyprus, simple question?
Of course. Tell me one country where there isn´t. But what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:41 pm
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:33 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:49 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:43 pm
That's quite a weak basis for jumping to conclusions, especially given that AFAIR I haven't even joined a disxussion on corroption before. So why would I have been supposed to mention it?
Ok its very simple, Do you think that there is financial corruption in Germany as well as Cyprus, simple question?
Of course. Tell me one country where there isn´t. But what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
It has to do with only small countries get clobbered by the EU, every country where corruption takes place should be clobbered, but we all know that will never happen
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:56 pm
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:41 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:33 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:49 pm
Ok its very simple, Do you think that there is financial corruption in Germany as well as Cyprus, simple question?
Of course. Tell me one country where there isn´t. But what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
It has to do with only small countries get clobbered by the EU, every country where corruption takes place should be clobbered, but we all know that will never happen
No, the topic was the golden passport program and whether Germany and others has a justified interest in making sure that criminals don´t get EU passports which grants them priviledges not only in Cyprus but all over the EU.
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:37 pm
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:56 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:41 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:33 pm
Of course. Tell me one country where there isn´t. But what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
It has to do with only small countries get clobbered by the EU, every country where corruption takes place should be clobbered, but we all know that will never happen
No, the topic was the golden passport program and whether Germany and others has a justified interest in making sure that criminals don´t get EU passports which grants them priviledges not only in Cyprus but all over the EU.
Like every other thread, the discussion develops into related issues
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:24 am
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:37 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:56 pm
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:41 pm
It has to do with only small countries get clobbered by the EU, every country where corruption takes place should be clobbered, but we all know that will never happen
No, the topic was the golden passport program and whether Germany and others has a justified interest in making sure that criminals don´t get EU passports which grants them priviledges not only in Cyprus but all over the EU.
Like every other thread, the discussion develops into related issues
That´s one thing. Shifting the goalposts is quite another.
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:42 am
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:24 am
WHL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:37 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:56 pm
No, the topic was the golden passport program and whether Germany and others has a justified interest in making sure that criminals don´t get EU passports which grants them priviledges not only in Cyprus but all over the EU.
Like every other thread, the discussion develops into related issues
That´s one thing. Shifting the goalposts is quite another.
No one is shifting goalposts, the debate was corruption in Cyprus and how it affects the EU, as there is more corruption in country's like Germany and other EU country's, its only natural that questions are asked about their double standards.
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:38 pm
by Kili01
Yes, you were. This thread was about the Al Jazeera video Which gave prima facie evidence of the slick methods used by the gang of people in Cyprus to find candidates abroad, regardless of criminal pasts, for the cash for passports scheme, which in most law abiding countries must have caused shockwaves. Especially within the EU.
Nothing was said about other countries.
It looks as if Cyprus doesn't intend to prosecute these unprincipled, lawbreakers. Presumably it will all be swept under the carpet..
But it won't do Cyprus's reputation abroad any good, especially where reputable banks are concerned. Making it even harder for normal people to transfer their legitimate money out of Cyprus to UK or other countries. Banks abroad are well aware of Cyprus's shady financial practices and money laundering as I have discovered. There are now so many extra steps and a lot of extra paperwork.
Dee
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:26 pm
by Dominic
Kili01 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:38 pm
Yes, you were. This thread was about the Al Jazeera video Which gave prima facie evidence of the slick methods used by the gang of people in Cyprus to find candidates abroad, regardless of criminal pasts, for the cash for passports scheme, which in most law abiding countries must have caused shockwaves. Especially within the EU.
Nothing was said about other countries.
It looks as if Cyprus doesn't intend to prosecute these unprincipled, lawbreakers. Presumably it will all be swept under the carpet..
But it won't do Cyprus's reputation abroad any good, especially where reputable banks are concerned. Making it even harder for normal people to transfer their legitimate money out of Cyprus to UK or other countries. Banks abroad are well aware of Cyprus's shady financial practices and money laundering as I have discovered. There are now so many extra steps and a lot of extra paperwork.
Dee
Nothing was said at the start, but topics meander. It happens all the time and is a well known occurrence that should come as no surprise to anybody who uses this or any other forum.
And why shouldn't it? If you are holding up Country A for inspection, why shouldn't you compare it to Country B and Country C?
And let's face it, the blatant cronyism occurring in the UK at the moment would make any Cypriot politician blush if they tried to pull a similar stunt.
Re: EU to launch infringement procedures against Cyprus, Malta over "golden passports"
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:40 pm
by Diocletian
Almost as if cronyism did not exist in world politics prior to 2019.