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Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:08 pm
by Jimgward
Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:37 pm
Although Trump has questioned the "deal" I do believe it is still going ahead...and come on Lloyd, Mrs May is doing very well...the US has always been close to the UK and the knowledge that there is a post Brexit deal waiting to be struck will only strengthen the UKs corner in the forthcoming EU negotiations..and that is certainly not a bad thing.
A deal with the US has a cost. May went there to invite US companies to come looking around the NHS. That may be the price not worth paying. Nothing about healthcare USA is enticing.... losing the NHS is a nightmare scenario that only Tory ministers would laud....
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:11 am
by johnoddy
Trump will make a great President, agreed he's a bit rough around the edges but he's never been a corrupt career politician.
Every time I see the man on TV, even with poor press coverage, I think what a great man he is. The man is a hero to millions of Americans and they love his hatred of terrorists.
I'm sure he'll serve a second term.
I think the only people who do not like him are the limp wristed, leftie luvvies who get their panties in a twist over Brexit...but there are a few of them on this forum.
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:25 am
by Lynsab
Oh dear..
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15I1CM
Mickey and Donald not doing such a good job of running America...
It seems we should have elected federal or Supreme Court judges to run our countries, they appear to know more about it...
But we must question the mentality of the POTUS when his team say this...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... r-happened
I know admin prefer our opinions instead of links....but when you have The White House blatantly lying or repeating untruths, you start to realise the established media that once researched stories before they published or indeed govts before they issued statements...would check their facts...
It's no wonder it's all going a bit ga ga...
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/j ... verything/
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:42 pm
by geoffreys
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:21 pm
by Dominic
Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:21 pm
I am not a Trump fan, far from it...but there is an hysteria in the press that is whipping up a frenzy against him, more content with making the news than actually reporting it...that is the nature of 24 hr "reporting" it is the news we should be more afraid of...
This has always been the way. Look at poor King Cnut. These days most people think he was some pompous idiot who thought he was so powerful that he could stop the tide. Whereas in fact he was trying to demonstrate the exact opposite.
An early victim of spin, the poor Cnut.
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:24 pm
by OhSusana
geoffreys wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:42 pm
Cobblers.
Geoff.
Obviously a first in PPE . ... and chairman of the Oxford Union.
Sadly my request for intelligent debate has fallen upon deaf ears.
Very good points, Lynsab.
I think Trump has learned from Putin. Don't bother to debate. Simply threaten, and lie.
If you get a journalist who disagrees, you shoot him. (just look how many dead journalists there are in Russia during the past half-dozen years.)
If you get a university that doesn't like you, close it down.
"Alternative truth"... Amazing. 1984.
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:28 pm
by Jimgym
Are Berkeley students interested in debate or just violent protests if they disagree with someone? It would appear that free speech is only for those with a certain viewpoint.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pro ... nt-n715711
Trumps response on Twitter: Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?
1:13 PM - 2 Feb 2017
58,417 58,417 Retweets 206,185 206,185 likes
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:46 pm
by Dominic
Actually in 1984, there would be no alternative truth. The whole point about doublethink was that you would believe exactly what you were told. So the "truth" was absolute.
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:48 pm
by OhSusana
Fair comment.
Good article in the NYT
How Violence Undermined the Berkeley Protest
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/opin ... otest.html
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:53 pm
by OhSusana
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:46 pm
Actually in 1984, there would be no alternative truth. The whole point about doublethink was that you would believe exactly what you were told. So the "truth" was absolute.
True, however the term älternative truth" has certainly resonated with many -
Sales of George Orwell’s 1984 spike after Trump spokesperson presents ‘alternative facts’
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world ... tive-facts
While the phrase “alternative facts” reminded many of the terms “falsehoods,” “lies” and “untruths,” it reminded many others of George Orwell’s dystopian, politically-charged novel “1984.”..
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:54 pm
by Dominic
Indeed it has, and indeed it should.
Mind you, at one point the terms "colateral damage" and "friendly fire" were considered outrageous.
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:43 pm
by keving
OhSusana wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:53 pm
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:46 pm
Actually in 1984, there would be no alternative truth. The whole point about doublethink was that you would believe exactly what you were told. So the "truth" was absolute.
True, however the term älternative truth" has certainly resonated with many -
Sales of George Orwell’s 1984 spike after Trump spokesperson presents ‘alternative facts’
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world ... tive-facts
While the phrase “alternative facts” reminded many of the terms “falsehoods,” “lies” and “untruths,” it reminded many others of George Orwell’s dystopian, politically-charged novel “1984.”..
1984 has been updated ...
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:10 pm
by Cogs123
You're spot on there Keving!
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:19 pm
by Maggie B
[/quote]
This has always been the way. Look at poor King Cnut. These days most people think he was some pompous idiot who thought he was so powerful that he could stop the tide. Whereas in fact he was trying to demonstrate the exact opposite.
An early victim of spin, the poor Cnut.
[/quote]
No apologies whatsoever for the big face. Anybody got any Tenalady handy???
MB
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:17 am
by Dominic
This was my favourite 1984 cover, and it was actually used for one edition a few years back:
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Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:00 pm
by Firefly
I seem to remember a post on CL from someone living in Germany telling exactly that, they were experiencing problems caused by immigrants rioting and looting shops, which was not being reported in the media.
Maybe that person was telling lies, but somehow I think not. Are we really to believe that politicians are honest all of a sudden.
Jackie
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:04 pm
by keving
Look up "Bowling Green massacre"
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:49 pm
by Firefly
Loyd
Exactly, but google 'migrants riot in Germany'.
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:23 pm
by Dominic
Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:50 pm
Those have been widely reported on. Trump suggests that the villainous press are deliberately hiding those stories.
Were they widely reported on in the USA?
Re: Is Trump mentally ill?
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:42 pm
by OhSusana
A different angle on whether Trump is mentally ill -
Donald Trump's sleep deprivation impairs his diplomacy and could have serious consequences, says expert
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 72086.html
To put it simply, sleep deprivation has a harmful impact on functions associated with the frontal lobe of the brain, such as alertness, attention, decision-making and cognitive processes....
No big deal. He's only got his finger on the nuclear button.
If he get's in a really bad mood, then we'll simply all be toast ))
(Just joking... I think... )
