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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:29 am

Varky —I think this is why a “people’s vote” as opposed to a another referendum has come from....

Nobody knew the full implications of the initial vote and only no do we even know some of it, 2 years on.... The. Irish way, of 2 referendums on each topic, would have solved the issue.,... We are, however, unable to easily do any of these things and parliament could be chaos next week.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Varky » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:44 pm

Jingward,
My vision of a second referendum would not be to revisit the in/out question, but to clarify what depth of 'out' the populace wanted. Lack of this information is fuelling unsubstantiated comments being made by various factions/groups/parties each purporting to represent the populace, which they obviously don't' They only represent their own ambitions.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:51 pm

David Davis - Pound Crashing no Bad Thing.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 71356.html

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:53 pm

Varky wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:44 pm
Jingward,
My vision of a second referendum would not be to revisit the in/out question, but to clarify what depth of 'out' the populace wanted. Lack of this information is fuelling unsubstantiated comments being made by various factions/groups/parties each purporting to represent the populace, which they obviously don't' They only represent their own ambitions.
I agree that is has to show the options - but it has to also give people the chance to now abandon leaving the EU. The crap from some, about Democracy states we must leave because of a referendum result, is bollox. People voted blind (in the main) and based on lies and deceit and unclear facts. Now we know, do we still want to leave?

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by ApusApus » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:46 pm

Quite frankly Jimgward you are wrong, there was a referendum and the people (that could be bothered to vote) voted leave and it was democratic! The choice now is how we leave ...............… oh and the "People voted blind" is an insult to their intelligence, all 17 million of them!


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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:19 pm

I didn't say all voted blind and democracy isn't a one-off event. We can all change our minds..

I have yet to hear any benefits of leaving. Here's your Friday challenge, Shane. Name 5 benefits!

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:39 pm

Oh Jim, shame on you, that's an impossible task...and you know it :evil:

Be fair to Shane, ask him to name just one benefit which will come from Brexit as it stands.

This on a day when the Health Minister warns of this possible scenatio in the event of a No-Deal Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKBN1O60MW

Mind you, I was warning of this scenario 6 months ago, but was dismissed at the time as a scaremongerer ;)

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by ApusApus » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:47 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:19 pm
I didn't say all voted blind and democracy isn't a one-off event. We can all change our minds..

I have yet to hear any benefits of leaving. Here's your Friday challenge, Shane. Name 5 benefits!
You quoted "people voted blind (in the main)", I never said that, you did or do you dispute that ………………… and as for changing our minds, how many times do we need to change "our minds" before it becomes acceptable? As for benefits, that's a pretty worn out argument. As I have said many times before I don't know what the situation will be in 5, 10, 25 or more years time, just as I don't know what the situation will be if we end up staying in the EU in that period, historians will determine whether the decisions made were good or bad? If you (and HiC) can predict the future for the UK then maybe your skills are wasted!


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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by ApusApus » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:50 pm

Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:39 pm
Oh Jim, shame on you, that's an impossible task...and you know it :evil:

Be fair to Shane, ask him to name just one benefit which will come from Brexit as it stands.

This on a day when the Health Minister warns of this possible scenatio in the event of a No-Deal Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKBN1O60MW

Mind you, I was warning of this scenario 6 months ago, but was dismissed at the time as a scaremongerer ;)
Oh HiC, if only I told you so ………………… but then you usually like to remind us that you did! :roll:


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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:13 am

Shane. Your reply tonight makes no sense. I’ll leave you the benefit to rework
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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:31 pm

Well, a Tory minster wants us to threaten to starve out Ireland, to increase our negotiation power.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 72326.html

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Andy01424 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm

Do not believe a word that comes out of Amber Rudd, she is our towns MP, no one likes her period or trusts her,forced recount 3 times,as she lost,but of course 350 votes suddenly appeared,we have been trying to get rid of her for past 5yrs...classic Tory brown nose....
Most of people have spoken to at work[ i am a cab driver] favour No Deal, no holds on anything,fresh start no blackmail....its way were heading i think and for us i am glad.
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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by ApusApus » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:27 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:31 pm
Well, a Tory minster wants us to threaten to starve out Ireland, to increase our negotiation power.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 72326.html
You should really stop quoting the Independent if you want to improve your creditability ……………………… actually, on second thoughts, keep quoting the Independent? :lol:


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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:17 pm

:oops: Not interested in personal credibility - but don’t you quote the Mail? :roll:

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Especially for Shane..... His ‘credible’ Express.....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... el-twitter

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by ApusApus » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Unfortunately Jimgward, I don't do The Mail nor The Express for that matter but obviously you do! :o


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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:07 pm

I'm a well rounded individual - I actually pay to get the Mail delivered - albeit, according to some on here, I'm a communist!

The story is in the Times, if your aspirations reach that far....

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Firefly » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:47 pm

When they say "UK can cancel Brexit" to whom exactly are they referring ? We, the people, or the politicians we elected to carry out our wishes.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:21 pm

So, what are our wishes, because they seem to all be different....and dont tell me the referendum was our wishes.... that was 2 years ago and blind. We now know some of the consequences and the majority don’t like what they see....

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by ApusApus » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:19 pm

You don't get it Jimgward, do you? The "People's Vote" doesn't keep happening but you seem to think it does ……………… and what will be the position in 2 years time, or 5 or 10 years, do we have another vote when it suits your particular view? :roll:


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