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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by WHL » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:25 pm

I don't think generalizing all private clinics in a negative way as you have, does any good, I and family members have had excellent treatment from private clinics over the years here in Cyprus,

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:54 pm

Lifesabeach wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:59 pm
Doctors who qualified, in Greece, 30/40 years ago who rent rooms in these Private Clinics are not necessarily aware of recent medical/ surgical developments.

The same thought has occurred to me over time, though most doctors proudly display on their walls certificates showing that they have attended this or that seminar or conference, plus they must surely read medical journals, so theoretically at least they should be keeping themselves up-to-date with developments.

Must say that, as WHL observes, I and family members have by and large received excellent treatment from the clinics over the years. As good as you'll find anywhere for relatively minor ailments.

One thing we particularly value about our Eurolife health policy is that we have the option to receive treatment for a condition in any hospital of our choosing worldwide, including America and Canada. I believe the cash limit is €1 million or €2 million, which should cover most things. In the event of a potentially serious condition it's not difficult (with the aid of the internet) to find out which doctors and hospitals are at the cutting edge of research/development...and which hospitals have the most up-to-date equipment.

It's not the issue of hospitals which causes us personally most concern, but rather as is highlighted on another thread, the utterly archaic state of the ambulance service here. The 'Golden Hour' could pass by very quickly here, without the right on-the-spot treatment.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by trevnhil » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:18 am

I have seen terrible happenings both in the general and in one of the most modern private hospitals in Paphos.. It really does just seem to be the luck of the draw.. I will add that we have been in a good few of the private hospitals and they are by far, much cleaner and hygienic than the general.. But I use the General many times a year..
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Polemi Dave » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:34 am

I can't accept the general is not kept scrupulously lean. Routine operations sometimes have unexpected complications and I cannot fault the general in respect of doctors tests and medication. While I don't want to go into it, I am on weekend leave from surgical ward, back first thing in the morning then probably on to Nicosia or Limassol general. It simply would be prohibitively expensive to be a private clinic in these circumstances. For example an MRI scan that lasts 20 minutes costs €400.

My advice is think carefully before having surgical at a private clinic.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Kili01 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:44 am

As Trev and Lloyd have both said when contemplating an operation here you need to take the right steps. I have had 2 operations at two of the best private clinics/hospitals in Paphos. On both occasions I was guided by my experienced and trusted GP, or by another specialist, who I had used previously as to who was the best surgeon to see. I also took a friend who was medically qualified with me when I had my first appointment with the new(to me) surgeon.
In both cases, my operation was carried out successfully.
I also agree that the general cleanlinness, the facilities and the nursing care are far better in a good private hospital than in the general. However where the General scores is that it is the only hospital in Paphos which has good intensive care dept.
I have private medical insurance with Universal Life and the policy covers me for treatment worldwide except the USA and Switzerland. But that is due to the type of policy which I have which gives me the benefit of an affordible premium.
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Dominic » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:59 am

WHL wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:25 pm
I don't think generalizing all private clinics in a negative way as you have, does any good, I and family members have had excellent treatment from private clinics over the years here in Cyprus,
Very well said. To describe all private doctors in Paphos as charlatans is just plain silly, and grossly inaccurate.
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by PeteandSylvi » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:57 am

Dominic wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:59 am
WHL wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:25 pm
I don't think generalizing all private clinics in a negative way as you have, does any good, I and family members have had excellent treatment from private clinics over the years here in Cyprus,
Very well said. To describe all private doctors in Paphos as charlatans is just plain silly, and grossly inaccurate.
It is also undoubtedly libellous.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Band » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:46 am

If everything goes well, the private hospitals can be good. The issue is that, generally, they cannot cope when things go wrong and pack patients off to the General if they need intensive care treatment.

Some private hospitals also have a reputation for recommending unnecessary and expensive treatments to help their bank balances. That seems particularly true for tourists who are taken ill. How many hotels send sick guests to the General?

Again, this does not apply to everyone.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by merchant_banker » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:16 pm

Certain hospitals want you to have a MRI whether you need it or not.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by mike strand2 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:31 pm

Has anyone visited the toilet just off the main outpatient waiting area at Pafos General?

The photos were taken on 31 Jan this year. There was no toilet paper, no hand towels, no lock on the door; just absolutely disgusting for a hospital!
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Yioula » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:37 pm

There's an element of risk with any operation.......whether you are able to go private or use the General ......at least the General has an intensive care unit......

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Post by Kili01 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:39 pm

Yes Mike, I have. Though they were not as bad last year as they appear to be in your more recent photo. But the state they were in last year was disgusting. No soap, paper towels, toilet paper generally dirty and smelly. How they can be left in that awful state anywhere where the public has access and especially in a hospital is beyond the pale!
I never use these toilets now having discovered some other toilets in a less heavily used part of the hospital which seem to benifit from regular cleaning.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by trevnhil » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:48 pm

Mike Strand.. Thank you for the photographs , this is exactly what I meant in my post above. I cannot understand how people can post that it is clean..
The photos show at least in that area it is Disgusting..
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:08 pm

Interesting story in today's Cyprus Mail praising the Cyprus State Hospitals: http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/07/09/story-counter-cynics/

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by smudger » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:10 pm

I would pose the same question here as I posted on the other forum re Paramedics. How can Cyprus accept that these are acceptable standards of health care???

For those eulogising the EU - is this the norm for an EU member state? If not, why not? Surely there are standards with which any member state should comply, and surely these examples cannot be anywhere near those standards?!

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by trevnhil » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:14 pm

Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:08 pm
Interesting story in today's Cyprus Mail praising the Cyprus State Hospitals: http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/07/09/story-counter-cynics/
The article finishes with the words... " This experience and so many others has led me to beg that we should all back off from constant negativity and criticism. "

Again the Article is talking about Nicosia General hospital which is where people are taken for some operations from Paphos.
I myself was treated there after a heart attack in 2007... At that Time the Hospital was a new one so even now it is only around 10 years old.
How I wish that Paphos general was like that..
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by TLR » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:14 pm

People's feelings about hospitals are by their very nature subjective.
I have had an unpleasant experience at one private clinic and a total nightmare in a state hospital where I had been taken after an RTA.
Both were sadly lacking in organisation, patient care and cleanliness (although the state hospital was beyond awful on all fronts, the lack of basic hygiene was positively third world).
I'm sure other people have had nothing but good experiences on both sides of the divide, but in all honesty I suspect that the bar is set very low in Cyprus.
Having said that I have had nothing but superb care in one of the private hospitals in Paphos, but in a country which aspires to be part of the modern world that should be the norm and not an exception.
Cleanliness, good manners and kindness do not cost money but it seems that here in Cyprus all of those are at a premium.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by trevnhil » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:41 pm

Like..
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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by PeteandSylvi » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:43 pm

TLR wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:14 pm

Cleanliness, good manners and kindness do not cost money but it seems that here in Cyprus all of those are at a premium.
Cleanliness costs a great deal of money in hospitals. The cost of dealing with MRSA in the UK was in millions.

I always feel that you can approach cleanliness on 2 fronts. The pictures shown above really refer to aesthetic cleanliness. That is not to justify the poor state of maintenance but no-one will get ill from it. Far more import is true hygiene which involves dealing with the invisible. Cyprus has not had to deal with MRSA to my knowledge which indicates that the hygiene level can't be that bad.

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Re: Private hospitals in Paphos

Post by Poppy » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:48 pm

As several on here will know my husband was diagnosed with melanoma,the worst type of skin cancer,when we lived in Paphos. From the visit to the skin specialist and then on for a biopsy in Paphos to the op in Nicosia General and and chemo also in Nicosia General I can find no fault at all BUT the toilets are disgraceful in Paphos as are a lot of areas and should never ever be like this in any hospital. Not so in Nicosia where cleanliness and hygiene were excellent and the only problem there was they just could not stop patients from smoking in the corridors outside the wards and the patients used to push their trolleys hooked up to the chemo and go and smoke! My husband used to complain to the Director of Oncology all the time but they were just incapable of stopping it. I well remember the chairman of the cancer support group,now sadly passed away, telling us that cancer care in Cyprus was as good as any european country and in many cases better.

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