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From the same article:
https://www.financialmirror.com/2022/01 ... the-virus/

The study says the transmission of the virus will continue.

“Immunity, whether infection or vaccination derived, will wane, creating opportunities for continued SARS-CoV-2 transmission.

“Given seasonality, countries should expect increased potential transmission in winter months.”

The study noted the impact of the virus will not be at today’s levels, despite the possible emergence of new variants.
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So if others disagree with Professor Murray they are seeking celebrity status, strange statement, are you sure it's not Professor Murray looking for celebrity status?
I see the restrictions for Care Homes were removed yesterday, it knocked the animals before people rescued from Kabul right off the newspapers front page but am I being cynical?
You totally ignore the studies that go against your way of thinking, there's countless studies (one of which I posted yesterday) that show the wearing of masks and social distancing reduce transmission.
The scrapping of rules in the UK is presently politically expedient for the PM and not because the pandemic is over.
I'm not foolish enough to think we shouldn't eventually get back to some semblance of normality in the future but I do believe there's certain restrictions that are with us for the long haul, like wearing masks in shops and we'll have to get used to it, to me personally It's no great problem and we will continue wearing masks even if Cyprus follows England's lead..
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I will be glad to see the back of mask wearing but I feel many will still continue to do so. Yesterday, out of force of habit we both put ours on as we approached the village Co-op store but the aisles are quite restricted and the population is invariably people over a certain age, so no worries on that particular score.

Although I believe many will welcome care homes returning to normal, I think things will be up and down for some time yet because of the nature of this unseen beast.

Perhaps care homes should have been released more slowly but we must appreciate how badly people have fared with ties being cut off for so long.

I will find out over the next day or so what's happening at the home of a friend's elderly aunty who pre-covid, was visited on a daily basis. They put a self imposed lockdown on just after Christmas to allow for the residents family mixing with other people.

They've done extremely well at this place without a single loss to Covid. The staff came to live in within the space of a few weeks and testing of visitors when they were allowed has been rigorous. They did get a couple of cases around October and the residents were all isolated. They all came out unscathed.

Meanwhile, we're looking forward to our coming break overseas and hope the outside mask wearing will be eased there by the time we are there.
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Shopping in the UK today, most people are still wearing masks. I have to say I was quite surprised.
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Firefly wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:54 pm Shopping in the UK today, most people are still wearing masks. I have to say I was quite surprised.
Why?
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We read in great detail daily about the numbers tested, the positive cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

However, it is very difficult to find out what is happening in Cyprus afterwards to those who did test positive - especially those that were discharged from hospital - and how they are 3, 6, 9 months, perhaps 18 months later.
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Galexinda

Because now masks are not mandatory in England, I thought a lot more people would not be wearing them.
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Maybe with the relaxation of the restrictions, as in some countries, it’s just time to either stop releasing the daily infection rates and only release the rates of unvaccinated hospitalisations.
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Happy in Cyprus wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:17 am It seems Omicron may have started to wane in the UK, despite the most recent relaxations: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-reports-lo ... 03828.html
There's been an average of over 300 deaths per day this week so it doesn't read as if it's on a downward slope at the moment.
Also most people are not just dropping dead in the street from Covid, the relaxation was only a week ago so the conclusions on whether the virus is on the wane maybe a bit premature.

As for changing the reporting methods, the government have been massaging the figures to put them in a better light from day one when considering the total excess death toll according to the ONS is much greater than that presently reported .
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The Aquila wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:33 am Maybe with the relaxation of the restrictions, as in some countries, it’s just time to either stop releasing the daily infection rates and only release the rates of unvaccinated hospitalisations.
Why only unvaccinated hospitalisations? If a hospital is full, its full.
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Dominic wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:16 pm
The Aquila wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:33 am Maybe with the relaxation of the restrictions, as in some countries, it’s just time to either stop releasing the daily infection rates and only release the rates of unvaccinated hospitalisations.
Why only unvaccinated hospitalisations? If a hospital is full, its full.
To make people realise that the vaccines are important and will keep the majority out of hospital.
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Happy in Cyprus wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:12 pm Oh dear Jim, you do seem to be in a downbeat mood ;)

Even Cyprus is thinking of easing restictions a little. Do you believe that Cyprus's figures are also being massaged? Pandemics don't last forever, they get weaker with time and then life goes back to normal. As it needs to. Viruses likely to erupt in winter. But as many have said before, Covid will likely be with us for ever and we'll just have to learn to live with it.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/01/30/coro ... laxations/
I was talking about ONS figures which is a government office in the UK and the present UK government has been under reporting the deaths due to Covid from day one though I think you know that. 😉
I'm not being downbeat, possibly pragmatic and see things as they really are rather than how I would like them to be. As I said in an earlier post, the powers that be thought they'd beaten the Spanish Flu and dropped their guard and look where that led to.
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I caught Covid in December 2019 travelling back from the UK when few knew what it was. We were staying at hotel in Oxford which had a lot of Chinese guests so I can only surmise I caught it there.
I was so ill, I didn't have the energy to get up the stairs and had to be helped by my wife. My wife eventually took me to hospital where I saw heart, lung and blood Specialists who couldn't say what was wrong with me. It took me about four months to get right, well almost right and the Doctors confirmed I had caught Covid.
Now I wouldn't wish on anyone what I went through and if by wearing a mask it helps then I have no problem with that.
We don't sit in locked away, we go out and socialise but we follow the rules and don't have any problem with that.
Just as I follow the rules for people who are vaccinated then Anti-Vaxxers should follow the rules set out for them.
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Jim B wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:06 am I caught Covid in December 1919 travelling back from the UK when few knew what it was. We were staying at hotel in Oxford which had a lot of Chinese guests so I can only surmise I caught it there.
I was so ill, I didn't have the energy to get up the stairs and had to be helped by my wife. My wife eventually took me to hospital where I saw heart, lung and blood Specialists who couldn't say what was wrong with me. It took me about four months to get right, well almost right and the Doctors confirmed I had caught Covid.
Now I wouldn't wish on anyone what I went through and if by wearing a mask it helps then I have no problem with that.
We don't sit in locked away, we go out and socialise but we follow the rules and don't have any problem with that.
Just as I follow the rules for people who are vaccinated then Anti-Vaxxers should follow the rules set out for them.
You’re showing your age there Jim :lol:
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The Aquila wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:04 pm
Jim B wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:06 am I caught Covid in December 1919 travelling back from the UK when few knew what it was. We were staying at hotel in Oxford which had a lot of Chinese guests so I can only surmise I caught it there.
I was so ill, I didn't have the energy to get up the stairs and had to be helped by my wife. My wife eventually took me to hospital where I saw heart, lung and blood Specialists who couldn't say what was wrong with me. It took me about four months to get right, well almost right and the Doctors confirmed I had caught Covid.
Now I wouldn't wish on anyone what I went through and if by wearing a mask it helps then I have no problem with that.
We don't sit in locked away, we go out and socialise but we follow the rules and don't have any problem with that.
Just as I follow the rules for people who are vaccinated then Anti-Vaxxers should follow the rules set out for them.
You’re showing your age there Jim :lol:
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Happy in Cyprus wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:24 am He will still almost not enter a shop, preferring instead to have groceries delivered; not for the convenience of it, but because of his fear of entering shops. With some people it has developed into a consuming irrational obsession, which may never leave them.
I wouldn't call that irrational. Even though I've been boostered twice I'm still trying to avoid infection because I'm waiting for the updated version of the vaccine Biontech has announced to be available hopefully as soon as of next month. This version will offer protection against the omicron variant, too.
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As usual the old cry 'sorry I make a mistake' will be trotted out, and hey presto, all will be forgiven !

Both major parties have been partying, the only difference is the type of alcohol consumed apparently. Disgraceful.
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One thing that is very rarely mentioned is the virtual non existence of the flu virus here in the U.K. , is that because we have all been wearing masks ?

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El tel

I would think so, likewise with the common cold.
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I've had more problems with my sinusitis and asthma this 18 months since mask wearing was brought in.

Longer periods of wearing leaves a lasting effect for several days, usually after appointments at the hospital as they can take 2 or more hours.

My asthma was good when we lived in Cyprus and I've had no real issues after returning to UK 6yrs ago. I got flu in December 2017 but have gone back to my annual jabs which I always got called for before we left UK in 2004.

I feel whilst we've been protected against the Covid virus, we may have lost some of our natural immunity against the common cold and flu.

Several of our friends have succumbed to Omicron (PCR confirmed) over the last month or so, including our quadruple vaccinated friend. That person ended up at the hospital on an IV drip last weekend.

I'm working on the principle it will get us, or it won't.
I can't say I rely too heavily on jabs now. Just keep your wits about you and don't be convinced you're invincible because you're fully vaccinated.
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