Speculation of royal death at palace

[Rita Sherry]

Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh, racialist? No way...

He was born in 1921 in Corfou. He's of Greek descent! This might make him a hard and fast male macho, but not a racial bigot, surely?

Fair play to him, for deciding to retire from public life at 96 years old. Who can deny him a restful and happy end of term? Hope I can live another 26 years like him!

Will the Queen join hubby in retirement? Perhaps handing over to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge as King and Consort, perhaps? Bypassing Charles and Camilla? And Anne, and Andrew?

Who knows? Cheers- AL

Think you have your line of succession incorrect Al. Given there is no precedent to by passing the heir to the throne should the Queen "retire" as you put it (highly unlikely given the Queen's views on succession and abdication) due to illness but not death then there would be a Regency with Prince Charles at its head. On the Queen's demise then Charles is the heir to the throne and becomes King, followed by Princes William, George, Princess Charlotte then Prince Harry - Princes Andrew and Edward plus Princess Anne have moved down the line of succession and Princess Charlotte takes precedent over Prince Harry in view of the change in succession rules brought in by one Nick Clegg.

Rita

PS Incidentally Prince Phillip is of Greek/Danish descent

[WHL]

Some balance to this thread
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bi ... p-10354274

[WHL]

Its all well documented, no tripe in that article my friend.

[Dominic]

That article is laughable. You may as well quote the Beano.

[Anne_paphos]

Some balance to this thread
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bi ... p-10354274

To admit you read tripe like that rag says a lot about you my friend!

Flipping heck you sound just like my MIL when I bought the Mail news paper, but she was a closet reader of said news paper!!

[WHL]

That article is laughable. You may as well quote the Beano.

Dominic why is it laughable, did he not say all those things ie slitty eyes etc..most of them have been recorded. also the many affairs his had over the years, I know most on here are Royalist.s, but surely in a balanced debate, his many short comings should be aired, before his made a Saint?.

[Dominic]

That article is laughable. You may as well quote the Beano.

Dominic why is it laughable, did he not say all those things ie slitty eyes etc..most of them have been recorded. also the many affairs his had over the years, I know most on here are Royalist.s, but surely in a balanced debate, his many short comings should be aired, before his made a Saint?.

But nobody is making him out to be a saint.

An old man announced he was retiring.

From the comic:

Public debate is skewered by the forelock tuggers and knee benders gushing they’re wise, brilliant, deserving people when each and every one is flawed like the rest of us but enjoys advantages most people could only dream of.

The author just can't stand the fact that Prince Philip is popular. That is why the article is so laughable. It is written by somebody having a tantrum because other people don't share the same opinion as they do.

[William Morris]

You usually find that when someone has nothing positive or nice to say then they resort to "muck hurdling" or name calling. Like kids in a playground.

Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh has served this country for over 70 years. Liken him to a civil servant if you will, someone who carries out public tasks.

Who on here has worked for that period of time? Most of us retire after 40 years work.

The Duke has tirelessly performed he's duties on our behalf for longer than can be normally expected.

I, for one, wish him a well deserved retirement and a happy 96th birthday.

Well done, sir.

[Dominic]

I have split this topic. If you want to argue about Prince Philip, use the thread in the pit. I tried to move some more posts to that thread today, and have no idea where they have ended up. So if you are reading a thread about a golf ball or something and all of a sudden a rant about Prince Philip appears, I do apologise.

So, to clarify, if you want to carry on that debate, use the thread in the pit.

[Anne_paphos]

I have split this topic. If you want to argue about Prince Philip, use the thread in the pit. I tried to move some more posts to that thread today, and have no idea where they have ended up. So if you are reading a thread about a golf ball or something and all of a sudden a rant about Prince Philip appears, I do apologise.

So, to clarify, if you want to carry on that debate, use the thread in the pit.

Sorry am I being a bit thick here but where oh where is the Pit or is it only for those who have made comments that are sent there ? ?

[trevnhil]

If you click on the 'Board Index' at the top left of the page, you can scroll down until you find it..

Trev..

[Firefly]

Rita

I think just maybe people are not aware that Charles (according to our laws) cannot become King if he is still married to Camilla. It was and still is illegal for an heir to the Throne to be married in a civil ceremony. His great uncle couldn't, as Mrs. Simpson was a divorcee, and they couldn't marry in a church. According to my research, that law has never been repealed and Tony Blair telling Charles that it was ok for him to marry in a civil ceremony, doesn't make it legal. Funny how things get brushed under the carpet.

Jackie

[Dominic]

But I think I'm correct in saying Trev that you first have to ask Dominic for access to The Pit.

That is indeed correct. Ask and ye shall receive, but be careful what you ask for...

[PaphosAL]

I would just like to add that if a little boy is born in Corfu, Greece in 1921 of a Greek father and a Danish mother, the little boy named Phillip is most definatley a GREEK national by birth, surely?

[cyprusgrump]

Nobody has mentioned his war service to the country....

Naval and wartime service
After leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the best cadet in his course.[16] During the Second World War, he continued to serve in the British forces, while two of his brothers-in-law, Prince Christopher of Hesse and Berthold, Margrave of Baden, fought on the opposing German side.[17] He was appointed as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean, followed by shorter postings on HMS Kent, on HMS Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). After the invasion of Greece by Italy in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet.[18]

HMS Valiant
Philip served aboard HMS Valiant in the Battle of the Mediterranean.
Among other engagements, Philip was involved in the Battle of Crete, and was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan, in which he controlled the battleship's searchlights. He was also awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour.[16] Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia.[19] He was commissioned as a sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections of the qualifying examination.[20] In June 1942, he was appointed to the V and W class destroyer and flotilla leader HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the Allied invasion of Sicily.[21]

Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace, at 21 years old one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. During the invasion of Sicily, in July 1943, as second in command of HMS Wallace, he saved his ship from a night bomber attack. He devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed.[21] In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[22][23] He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to the United Kingdom on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.[24]

Clicky...

[Dominic]

But I think I'm correct in saying Trev that you first have to ask Dominic for access to The Pit.

Did you ask to be put in there

Possibly not. If a thread is moved there I normally grant access to anybody who has posted on the thread, just so they can respond to any comments.

If somebody has access and doesn't want access, I will of course be happy to remove them from the group.

[Dominic]

I would just like to add that if a little boy is born in Corfu, Greece in 1921 of a Greek father and a Danish mother, the little boy named Phillip is most definatley a GREEK national by birth, surely?

Didn't they call him 'Phil The Geek' behind his back?

That is a well-known nickname for him, yes. Often it used used in an unintentionally ironic fashion, such as:

"I see the old racist Phil The Greek is retiring".

[Rita Sherry]

Rita

I think just maybe people are not aware that Charles (according to our laws) cannot become King if he is still married to Camilla. It was and still is illegal for an heir to the Throne to be married in a civil ceremony. His great uncle couldn't, as Mrs. Simpson was a divorcee, and they couldn't marry in a church. According to my research, that law has never been repealed and Tony Blair telling Charles that it was ok for him to marry in a civil ceremony, doesn't make it legal. Funny how things get brushed under the carpet.

Jackie

Hello Jackie

Bit late responding but I have been very poorly since Good Friday but back up and about a little now. Given me time to do some revision so here is my take for what it is worth.

Not sure which laws you are referring to here because I cannot think or find any but what I am aware of is that it was Royal Protocol which forbade Edward VIII from marrying Wallis Simpson and doubtless the Churches then stance on divorcees.

Constituionally there is no way that one can " renounce" their right in the line of succession - it is therefore a fact that when Her Majesty takes her last breath (which is hopefully a long way off yet) Prince Charles will become King of England just as Edward the VIII did on the death of his father. Once reigning, a Monarch can however abdicate from the throne "renouncing" their right to be King or Queen.

Under the new Act of Succession the first six in line to the throne have to have the Monarch's permission to marry no matter their age and Prince Charles requested and got such permission. In 2002 the Church of England (of which the Queen is head) has allowed divorced people to remarry in church in certain situations and the Archbishop of Canterbury blessed the marriage of Charles and Camilla. It should also be remembered that Dianna Princess of Wales was dead before he married Camilla. The present Act also decrees that Royals who divorced or marry divorcees do not lose their position in the line of succession and that provision is retrospective and reinstates people who previously renounced their place in the line of succession. It is still the law that a Roman Catholic cannot become Monarch.

I cannot believe the Queen as well as Prince Charles did not take cognisance of the constitutional position indeed I will go so far as to say I know very well that they did and sought expert advice from constitutional scholars, leaders of the Commonwealth countries, Parliament as well as the Church of England.
A suggestion was, I understand, made that Camilla should take the title of "Princess Consort" rather than "Queen Consort" but an Act of Parliament would be required to reduce her title as no such title exists.

It was not Tony Blair ( and I am not an advocate of his) per se who opined it would be o.k it was Parliament itself who so determined because it is Parliament who determines the succession not, as some believe, the Monarch.

Edward VIII's case was solely for him. As I said he became King the moment his father died but he made it clear his intention to marry Mrs Simpson. He had not got the support for this from his father and neither would he have had - rather both his parents disapproved of the relationship and refused to meet her. Following the death of George V Prime Minister Baldwin made it clear the Government, popular opinion in the country (all of it) and the Overseas Dominions (now Commonwealth) did not approve of his plans to marry Mrs Simpson a twice divorcee with one husband to whom she was still married. Had Edward married against the advice of his Ministers it would have caused the Government to resign triggering a constitutional crisis - he therefore chose to abdicate.

There is nothing in British Law that permits abdication and a specific law had to be passed to permit the abdication of Edward VIII which only applied to HIM. A new law will be required for any future abdication which hopefully will not occur.

Rita

[Rita Sherry]

I would just like to add that if a little boy is born in Corfu, Greece in 1921 of a Greek father and a Danish mother, the little boy named Phillip is most definatley a GREEK national by birth, surely?

Hello Al

Technically Yes but on 22nd September 1922 (Phillip was 1 year old) his uncle King Constantine was forced to abdicate and go into exile. The Military Government arrested his brother Prince Andrew (Phillips father) and in December of that year a Revolutionary Court banished him and his family from Greece for life and as his and his family's lives were in danger they went, with the aid of the British, to Paris Phillip moving later to England for education purposes. He became a British Citizen before his marriage to the then Princess Elizabeth. I think Greece was/is one of those countries where if you are banished you are also stripped of your Nationality so in essence he was a refugee until later when he applied for British Citizenship.

As a famous Duke of Wellington once said when his own nationality was questioned due to the country of his birth "One can be born in a stable but that does not make one a donkey"

In essence you are technically correct but I believe there were reasons why Phillip's family used the title Prince/Princess of Greece & Denmark which I have not yet found. Anyway our Phil is British.

Rita

[WHL]

So are we to call him Phil the Brit now, instead of Phil the Greek