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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Firefly » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:40 pm

I take 75 mg aspirin daily due to the history of stroke/heart problems in my family, with my G.P.s blessing.

I was asked if I took any blood thinners when I attended for my vaccination, I told them aspirin and they made a note of it on the form they were filling in for each patient.

One might say I am never getting into a car ever again, as people die in crashes, we are probably more at risk of that, than a blood clot from the AZ vaccine.

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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Firefly » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm

Sadie

Your point is very valid, likewise if a close member or your family or even yourself, should suffer a terrible death as a result of contracting Covid, your view may very well change also. Worse still if you had passed it to that family member.
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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Jimgward » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:16 pm

sadie62 wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:29 pm
I will not be having the vaccine
My reasons are:
None of the vaccines are fully approved but rather fast tracked for Emergency Use Authorisation thus bypassing long term trials, In fact they are 'rolling trials' - meaning they are been given to the public before phase 3 trials end (in 2023_
vaccines take on average 7-12 years to develop; these were rolled out in 9 months
It is likely they don't provide immunity to disease or prevent transmission of the disease
I have concerns over the safety. Only yesterday a top official at the European Medicines Agency admitted there’s a causal link between AstraZeneca’s vaccine and blood clots - they may be rare but I don't wish to take that chance

Fully accept that others may want to take the vaccine and no one should question anyone else's decision what ever that may be

I respect your decision, it’s youre to make…. However, your facts are wrong.

Phase 3 trials have all been finished, otherwise no approvals. The AZn vaccine has no been approved by the FDA in the USA, as they are asking for more clarification on their second Phase 3 trial. That is 100% facts.

As to the 7 - 12 years - yes, traditionally, that has been historically the case. However, these new vaccines use different technologies, were being created pre covid for user for other viruses and are a breakthrough. Therefore no need for prolonged testing.

It is true that in ‘normal’ circumstances, a longer time would have been taken for slower rollout, but these are not normal times. As people have stated, other drugs have side effects - in fact all of then. The Pill itself has a 1 in 4,000 chance of blood clots.

So, please make your decisions on ‘proper’ informed facts and perhaps speak to a specialist. My companies’ medical director is one and I have discussion every day on these matters.

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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by grb » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:35 pm

I would rephrase the question, why would anyone have the vaccine? It doesn't stop you catching the virus, it doesn't stop you passing it on, so therefore it gives a false sense of security that you are 'safe' once you have had it. With mutation of the virus, you will need another dose in a few months, and probably a few months after that, and where does it stop? The reason that medicines take years to be developed are because side effects don't necessarily show up immediately, so the best you can say is that they are 'safe' for most people, so far. And all this is for a virus that has a tiny mortality rate, and a rate that is improving anyway as health professionals, with more experience of the virus, are finding better ways to treat those infected. When the majority of young people suffer minor symptoms, why are they being vaccinated when acquired immunity is far better? The only reason is the fear and guilt being spread that they will pass the virus on to a vulnerable person who will then die. It is this fear mongering that we need a vaccine for, not the virus!

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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by trevnhil » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:55 pm

Why would I have the vaccine?? Because if you do catch Covid then you have Much less severe symptoms.. It may mean the difference between feeling a little poorly or Dying..
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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Firefly » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:55 pm

grb

Do you know how people with Covid die ?

I do, sadly, in fear, gasping for breath, akin to being suffocated. Not the way I want to go.

I have known three people who have died of this virus, and heard of many more, everyone has a choice of course, but choose carefully.
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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by trevnhil » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 pm

My Daughter is a staff nurse in a Covid Ward, and she convinced me that I needed to have the vaccine. Not that I needed any convincing ..
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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Jimgward » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:02 pm

grb wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:35 pm
I would rephrase the question, why would anyone have the vaccine? It doesn't stop you catching the virus, it doesn't stop you passing it on, so therefore it gives a false sense of security that you are 'safe' once you have had it. With mutation of the virus, you will need another dose in a few months, and probably a few months after that, and where does it stop? The reason that medicines take years to be developed are because side effects don't necessarily show up immediately, so the best you can say is that they are 'safe' for most people, so far. And all this is for a virus that has a tiny mortality rate, and a rate that is improving anyway as health professionals, with more experience of the virus, are finding better ways to treat those infected. When the majority of young people suffer minor symptoms, why are they being vaccinated when acquired immunity is far better? The only reason is the fear and guilt being spread that they will pass the virus on to a vulnerable person who will then die. It is this fear mongering that we need a vaccine for, not the virus!
To you highlighted points;


It vastly reduces the chances of catching it, therefore reduces chances of passing it on. If you do I catch it, almost nobody ends up seriously ill.

Nobody has stated a few months…. ‘Maybe’ 6 months, 12 months…. We don’t know…

Nonsense

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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Dominic » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:10 pm

Do the people not taking the vaccine not realise that sooner or later they are going to end up getting it?
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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:25 am

Has the vaccine played a part in reducing the UK's death toll? I'd say it has. In the space of just 2-3 months the UK has gone from having the worst death toll in Europe (2-3 months ago 1,400 were dying daily at one point) to now, one of the lowest. Anyone like to claim the vaccine isn't responsible for this? Cyprus ain't doing so bad either, but then our vaccine roll-out has been pretty good too.

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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

Post by Uncle D » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:07 am

So there is your reply Chaddy, 1 not having the vaccine, 1 on the fence but several admit to taking aspirin 😀
Incidentally if anyone reads and posts on this or any other expat site you ARE using social media. 😁
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Re: Anyone NOT having the vaccine?

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