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Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:08 pm
by PeteandSylvi
Rita Sherry wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:25 pm Pete

Please permit me to disagree with your statement that this Company "broke the law" and your shock at seeing "this blatant gender bias". Reading the original advert whilst it is quite clear there was preference for a male applicant it nevertheless was qualified by the use of the words "but all applicants will be considered" thus making it arguable that there was any overt gender bias. Regarding the "Must be of EU origin" statement a poster has already given a possible explanation for this terminology and is correct in the assumption. Non EU workers have limits placed on the type of work, hours etc they are permitted to undertake under Employment Law and Immigration Law and woe betide any employer found employing someone who is not entitled to be so - he/she is looking at a very hefty fine (the employer that is not the employed).

I applaud your defence of us females but however strong (physically) they may be I have yet to see females building roads, working on building sites and, in the case of the UK and other industrialised nations I dont think there are many females working in the mining industry etc nor can I see any sensible female wishing to do so. We faught long and hard to stop women and children being sent down the mines and up chimneys. That having been said I did know of one female "Factory Inspector", as they were then called, who was most adapt at hoping up ladders on building sites etc and who put the fear of God into most managers and owners alike when she descended on their companies.

The Company under discussion is endeavouring to run a business which gives employment to others and service to the general populace and, for my part, I do feel they and others like them can well do without well meaning people scrutinising each and every word used in advertising etc in the event they may or may not be "breaking the law"

As any law student can tell you the underlying principle of good law is "Equity is a shield and not a sword"

Rita
You make very good points although I think closer scrutiny will show females working in many occupations, including those you mention, which were previously all male domains. Long may this continue to expand.

If you review what I said in my posts you will see that I concluded the matter was closed when the Brewery apologised and rectified their mistake. This apology had nothing to do with this forum. I did not intend to comment further but felt that Lloyd's post could be expanded further just to make the point that the wording in the brewery retraction would have been better placed in the original ad.

I have no axe to grind against the Brewery, enjoy their products and have eaten there but they made a mistake in their advert and I felt it was worthy of posting on here and asked for discussion. The mistake in their advert for which I did not have to scrutinise every word, was rather outstanding and obvious not only to me but to others on the original Facebook post.

It seems that the Brewery have correctly acknowledged and dealt with the issue, I have expressed my satisfaction with their doing so and applaud this but others still want to perpetuate the discussion. Is there some sort of regret that an unpleasant argument did not ensue as so often happens on forums?

Pete

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:46 pm
by Rita Sherry
Pete

I did not nor do I ever wish to commence an unpleasant argument on this forum or any other - one of the reasons I do not utilise the so called debating facilities of facebook/twitter or any other questionable social media. My point was based solely on the merits of the legal position you were espousing nothing more nor nothing less. Your prerogative to dismiss those facts.

Rita

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:51 pm
by memory man
Children's perception of occupations.


Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:13 pm
by Jim B
In our company it doesn't matter if you're 18 or 80, male or female; as long as you're good enough is all that matters. One of my bosses is a young Spanish lady and a very competent Process Engineer who we all respect. We have handicapped colleagues who are as good at their job as any able bodied person; no one is favoured as all are judged on ability.

Jim

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:41 pm
by smudger
Exactly how it should be Jim. I hate positive discrimination, it's just an expensive drag on business.

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:21 pm
by PaphosAL
smudger wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:41 pm Exactly how it should be Jim. I hate positive discrimination, it's just an expensive drag on business.
There's a subtle joke in there somewhere, Jacs, or was the pun unintended? I'd better avoid that one I think...

Are you both back in Trimi now? How did Easter in UK go? PM or email me when you get a chance, pls..

Cheers- AL x ;)

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:37 pm
by Jim B
We often have women working in the Construction industry as Welders, Electricians, Insulators and Scaffolders. I've even seen them working on the roads so to suggest making pizzas is too much for them is very demeaning. By the way thes ladies used to work an 84 hour week

Jim

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:19 pm
by PaphosAL
Jim B- I've seen a woman helping her OH plaster a very high and very long dry-lined curved wall at the central hall of BAE Systems new HQ in Luton in 2004. (now called Finnequestra, or similar?) Both wearing PPE of course (hard hats, safety boots, hi-vis jackets, gloves, safety glasses etc)

We were doing the largest and most amazing Fire Alarm system of our lives. But to watch this couple plastering was a joy to behold! The whole wall finished up looking like your typical MARBLE worktop at home, astonishing!

We could come along afterwards, use a Stanley plasterboard saw in (1m AGL) and cut a 75mm square hole, reach in and drag our two cables out, make the cable ends off, connect them into a 1G P/B back box, then a few minutes later- voilá! There's your red fire alarm break glass unit all installed! God, how I used to enjoy those days...

Cheers- AL :)

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:33 pm
by Cliffy amo
Here is our ride to the Aphrodite's rock brewery for any of the male or female future employees!

Cliffy amo
https://www.youtube.com/user/cliveamo

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:58 pm
by Cogs123
Having worked for the military for over 20yrs. as a serving soldier & civilian, I encountered both strong/weak men, & strong/weak women. Invariably, the women had to work twice as hard as the men in order to prove they were as capable of doing the job & in doing so, earned the respect of their male colleagues.
On my frequent visits to Cyprus, I have observed on numerous occasions a more patriarchal society, I am willing to be corrected on this by the permanent residents of course, as they have more experience than I, but I can only assume that the consequences of this patriarchy is that women are often excluded from various positions of work as it is deemed to be a mans job.
Perhaps a young lady will apply & put an end to the myth that they are incapable of doing ' heavy work '. :lol:

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:03 pm
by WHL
Women cant do heavy work, nonsense ..anyone visiting Cyprus pre the 70s would of seen many women some elderly dressed in black...digging and filling roads, by hand in extreme heat, im a strapping lad but I wouldn't of lasted ten minutes doing what they did all day.

Re: Aphrodite's Rock Brewery - Gender Bias

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:20 pm
by trevnhil
I remember seeing women working on the roads. The women were digging and the men just wheeled the full barrows and emptied them ready for another load

Trev..