Huge Explosion In Beirut

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WHL wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:36 pm
Dominic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:26 pm It isn't ridiculous to anybody not familiar with your posting history.
Dominic, anyone that knows anything about the going ons in the Middle East, should know its a messy business, to say Israel might of had a hand in this event, shouldn't class you as an anti Semite, the poster should of told us why they didn't believe this to be so, to call someone names is a kop out in my book.
To instantly turn around and try and associate Israel with an event like this without any evidence comes across as anti-Semitic, whether you realise it or not. Im surprised you need this pointed out to you.
I shouldn’t have to search through your previous posts to try and gauge your political views.

“the poster should of told us why they didn't believe this to be so”

I shouldn’t have to explain to you why I don’t believe Israel were involved, your the one making baseless accusations.
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OK ask yourself a question:-

Who in there right mind would put 2,750 tons of ammonia nitrate in a building.

And it was there 6 years

Then allow fireworks to be stored in the next building.

Fireworks use a class 1 explosive IE black powder the most volatile explosive I have used!!

It makes me think of storing 92 containers of explosives next to a power station!

Why store this stuff in a populated area.

Some one needs there butt kicking.
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Paulo wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:21 pm
WHL wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:36 pm
Dominic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:26 pm It isn't ridiculous to anybody not familiar with your posting history.
Dominic, anyone that knows anything about the going ons in the Middle East, should know its a messy business, to say Israel might of had a hand in this event, shouldn't class you as an anti Semite, the poster should of told us why they didn't believe this to be so, to call someone names is a kop out in my book.
To instantly turn around and try and associate Israel with an event like this without any evidence comes across as anti-Semitic, whether you realise it or not. Im surprised you need this pointed out to you.
I shouldn’t have to search through your previous posts to try and gauge your political views.

“the poster should of told us why they didn't believe this to be so”

I shouldn’t have to explain to you why I don’t believe Israel were involved, your the one making baseless accusations.
Time will show if they were baseless or not, Im perfectly aware what anti Semitic means,With respect I dont need you to explain it to me, and I repeat the History of events in the middle East, gives people the right to suggest that its POSSIBLE that Israel had a hand in this. I didnt say Israel were responsible I said they could be involved, Big differance.
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People need to realise that anti-Israeli comments isn’t anti-Semitic - despite what the despot Netyanyahu says. As long is your objection is to the state’s dealings, it isn’t anti-Semitic. A bit like anti-Italy isn’t anti-Catholic....
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WHL wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:46 am my guess is Israel took the opportunity to take out the storage facility
Wrong guess.

Initial investigations point to negligence as cause of Beirut blast, official source says

Initial investigations into the Beirut port blast indicate years of inaction and negligence over the storage of highly explosive material that caused the explosion that killed more than 100 people, an official source familiar with the findings said.

The prime minister and presidency have said that 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate, used in fertilisers and bombs, had been stored for six years at the port without safety measures.

“It is negligence,” the official source told Reuters, adding that the issue on storing the material safely had come before several committees and judges and “nothing was done” to order the material be removed or disposed of.

The source said a fire had started at port warehouse 9 on Tuesday and spread to warehouse 12, where the ammonium nitrate was stored.

Another source close to a port employee said a team that inspected the material six months ago warned it could “blow up all of Beirut” if not removed.

Tuesday’s explosion was the most powerful ever suffered by Beirut, a city still scarred by civil war three decades ago and reeling from a deep financial crisis rooted in decades of corruption and economic mismanagement.

The head of Beirut port and the head of customs both said on Wednesday that several letters were sent to the judiciary asking for the dangerous material be removed, but no action was taken.

Port General Manager Hassan Koraytem told OTV the material had been put in a warehouse on a court order, adding that they knew then the material was dangerous but “not to this degree”.

“We requested that it be re-exported but that did not happen. We leave it to the experts and those concerned to determine why,” Badri Daher, director general of Lebanese Customs, told broadcaster LBCI.

Two documents seen by Reuters showed Lebanese Customs had asked the judiciary in 2016 and 2017 to request that the “concerned maritime agency” re-export or approve the sale of the ammonium nitrate, which had been removed from cargo vessel Rhosus and deposited in warehouse 12, to ensure port safety.

One document cited similar requests in 2014 and 2015.

Former Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri, whose father and also a former premier was killed in a large truck bomb attack in 2015 in the capital, called for a foreign role in investigating the blast that “once again killed the heart of Beirut”.

“We ask the government … for a transparent judicial and security investigation without compromise, denial or circumventing the truth,” he said in a statement.

Shiparrested.com, an industry network dealing with legal cases, said in a 2015 report that the Rhosus, sailing under a Moldovan flag, docked in Beirut in September 2013 when it had technical problems while sailing from Georgia to Mozambique with 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

It said that, upon inspection, the vessel was forbidden from sailing and shortly afterwards was abandoned by its owners, leading to various creditors coming forward with legal claims.

“Owing to the risks associated with retaining the ammonium nitrate on board the vessel, the port authorities discharged the cargo onto the port’s warehouses,” it added.

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To get back to could you feel the explosion here in Cyprus, then as some others have reported 100% yes.
Initially there was pressure shock wave which made loose items rattle at my house followed by first one bang and then a much larger bang from the explosion.
My initial thoughts were the NG practice range only being a short distance away was they had overdone a charge, and then on second thoughts because there was no smoke or sirens going off locally a ship had had an incident out at sea. With Beirut only just over 110 miles from here and with open sea in between the blast wave had nothing to deflect it. Much the same as when the war of summer 2006 was kicking off in Lebanon you could here the air strikes at night.
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Cyprus/Russian businessman linked to the disaster
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/08/05/cypr ... rut-blast/
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In fairness to WHL, there was a video on FB earlier that purported to show a drone targeting said storage facility. It claimed that it was an Israeli drone and was posted by a Lebanese resident.
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Dominic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:18 pm No, Trump was saying it was a bomb. Nobody else.

If you take the word of Trump you really have fallen down the rabbit hole. Personally, I would believe first the authorities in Lebanon.
Sorry Dominic,my daughter is a US citizen,i spend three months of the year in the US.Noting your comments it is obvious you believe all you see and hear off the UK media..I,m not being insulting but do you get your information off the BBC the Bolshovic Broadcasting Corperation
Trump has done more for the US people than any other president in history both black and white statistacaly,,,,But of course you will not see this from the UK left wing media.
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What an absolutely horrific thing to happen. My heart goes out to all those affected in Lebanon. A terrible tragedy.
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Chaddy wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:11 pm
Dominic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:18 pm No, Trump was saying it was a bomb. Nobody else.

If you take the word of Trump you really have fallen down the rabbit hole. Personally, I would believe first the authorities in Lebanon.
Sorry Dominic,my daughter is a US citizen,i spend three months of the year in the US.Noting your comments it is obvious you believe all you see and hear off the UK media..I,m not being insulting but do you get your information off the BBC the Bolshovic Broadcasting Corperation
Trump has done more for the US people than any other president in history both black and white statistacaly,,,,But of course you will not see this from the UK left wing media.
You only have to view the man's twitter feed to see what an idiot he is.

Here's some light reading for you.

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It is the most horrible, shocking and frightening thing I have seen in many years. My heart just goes out to all those people affected by this tragedy.

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Chaddy

Mr Trump has been seen many times on video changing has views like the direction of the wind – He has been seen to disregard professional clinical advice – His belief in the wonder malaria drug was proved by many professionals around the world to be absolutely useless against any corona virus never mind the current one and he still says that is the drug to sort it – I am fully aware that he is a very popular president and has done some strange things which have turned the US fortunes around more by good luck than good management – BUT at the end of the day the man is a class one CLOWN and good entertainment value and all for free.
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~Chaddy, if you can can respect Trump and his leadership then you fit into a a few demographics, that we cannot understand in Europe. Trump, I believe, suffers from dementia. He is unable to formulate proper leadership. He has made massive mistakes. He keeps quoting locking down flights from China, as though he was a genius. He didn’t lock down flights from all over the world, when many came from China through many routes. He initially called the pandemic fake news and then he had it in hand. I reckon he is the worst major world leader I have come across in my lifetime. That’s saying something,

I can only believe two demographics that support trump. The uneducated red-necks who believe his lies and the selfish intelligent people who only want what makes them richer. No thought of community or helping others.
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Article on the Beeb about how the ammonium nitrate ended up in Beirut then stayed their, along with the route of passage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53683082
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Happy in Cyprus wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:01 am If Customs and Port authorities warned government periodically (as they reportedly did), then it is clear the government is to blame.

Surprise, surprise, shades of the Christophias warnings and the blast at Mari.
The thing here was, The Americans/UK offered to take the explosives away from Mari, and dispose them safely, but the stupid Idiot Socialist President, didnt want to upset his friends in Iran, so they stayed put, with the terrible outcome.
In Lebanon, Hezbollah, have a big say in the running of the country, they obviously were using the stuff for explosives, and its not easy to do anything without their say so,
PS still think Israel had a hand in the blowing up of of the ware house, they just didn't realize how big the destruction would be,the truth will come out in time.
https://news.sky.com/story/beirut-explo ... b-12044405
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Just think how much more damage would have been done if that grain silo had not been there.
It stopped a lot of the blast wave going in one direction and made it go up into the air.
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Happy in Cyprus wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:10 pm Agree entirely with everything you say, except the PS add-on. It would suit the Lebanese government to find a transgressor to apportion blame on.

Israel has the motivation, and the means, to blow up the stockpile. If they had proof Hezbollah was siphoning off the explosive for dirty deeds, that would - in their eyes - justify blowing up the warehouse. But the warehouse might just have blown up like Mari as a consequence of poor storage conditions and the nearby firework factory which caught fire and spread.
HIC Israel has recently blown up installations in Iran, the last few weeks Hezbollah have been attacking Israelis on the Syria and Lebanon border, I dont know if Israel attacked the warehouse, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

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WHL, not sure if you have a HATE against Israel or not. If you took the time to read all the reports. You just might find out the FACTS of how the explosion occurred. I cannot be bothered to show them to you.
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