Sky news this morning.

[Lofos-Jan]

Hudswell's link above is the route that many are now taking in case there are issues with the normal registration (I hope there won't be and that anyone with a standard registration 'yellow slip' can remain). The application is called an MEU3 and you have to have 5 years of water-tight proof of residency including utility bills etc. It would grant you permanent residency. The form is at the bottom of the page on the link here: http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/crmd/crmd.nsf ... enDocument

Jeanne

[WHL]

Lofos-jan, you make some very good points.

[josef k]

I note that there are a number of posts suggesting that things will return to how they were in the pre-EU past. The fact is that they won't as the world (and Cyprus) has moved on. People may as well say we will go back to the how things were when Cyprus was a colony. Reference has also been made to the Commonwealth, which has no bearing on the subject in hand being just a social club these days. Nothing is the same as it was back in the past.
Of course we don't know much of how things will be post Brexit. However, there are some relatively safe assumptions we can make.

Firstly, Cyprus isn't going to evict the Brits. If you have the initial yellow residency slip then it is likely you will have to get this replaced with something else (yellow slips being for EU citizens), perhaps with an expiry date requiring periodic re-applications. If you have a permanent residency yellow slip then, perhaps, nothing will change. If you didn't bother getting any yellow slip then, perhaps, the existing fine (2000 plus euros) will start being applied.

Secondly, it is likely the health care arrangements will continue, although there may be an increase in the cost. I am aware though that the health department's web site states (in bold) "As a rule Medical Cards are issued to Cypriots and EU citizens who reside permanently in Cyprus", so we wait and see what Cyprus will do.

Thirdly, many Brits work here and are allowed to do so as EU citizens. It is likely this right will be removed, particularly bearing in mind the current unemployment levels. This could mean people having to apply for a work permit if they wish to continue working.

Fourthly, pension payments and tax arrangements will continue without change.

Finally, we come to an issue that I am particularly concerned about, and you may have seen my comments on another place. These days Brits don't exist in isolation, and many have married non-Brits, as have I. My wife is not an EU citizen but has the right to work as she is "the spouse of an EU citizen". Post-Brexit she won't be, and there is uncertainty over whether she will even be able to apply for a work permit. There is also uncertainty over what her residency status will be. I have communicated with the British High Commission and they say, in a nutshell, that is a matter for Cyprus and not the UK. Thanks a bunch.

There will be other changes of course. Duty Free limits are likely to be reinstated, EHIC cards will no longer be available, mobile roaming charges are likely to go back to previous levels, the UK will be free to subsidise businesses (BA comes to mind), Brits will no longer be able to vote in Cyprus local elections, etc.

So, we know little but can assume quite a bit. The problem is that we are unlikely to know facts for a couple of years at least.

[PaphosAL]

Brits in Cyprus? This subject goes waaaay before 2004, when ROC joined the EU, surely?

For example, during Margaret Thatcher's record reign as UK Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990 (the mere mention of who will make Jim's 'shop steward' blood boil and steam emit from his ears), she once entertained the then President of the ROC at 10 Downing St. on his visit to the UK.

He asked her "Madam, when are you going to hand the Sovereign Base Areas back to us?"

she relpied: "Sir, when you give us back North London!"

What a cracker, eh? Reality is, I bet there are more TC and GC folk living here in UK than there are UK/ROI folk living in ROC. This will surely count in the coming b-word discussions, as it pre-dates ROC EU membership by a decade or three?

Cheers- AL

[PaphosAL]

Actually, a funny true story just popped out my ageing memory cells regarding North London, near Wembley...

A few years ago, the 3 or 4 of us were installing and commissioning a new intelligent Fire Alarm system into a new-build Self-Storage depot. No on-site parking. We left Luton at 6am and normally arrived there at 7.30am, to park for the day outside a parade of shops 100m just up the street.

Into the GC-owned Cafe, for a cuppa, then to work, then back to the same cafe for a hearty brekky at 10.30am

That worked fine, until we had to work two Sundays on the trot, in order to play 'catch-up'... GC cafe closed! But at the other end of the shopping parade was a TC cafe! In we went, with grovelling apologies, they were very friendly and hospitable, and he said something along the lines of "It's OK, between our cafe and their cafe, we have the United Nations"! Never forgotten that, LOL!

In hindsight, I guess the GC cafe would be shut on Sunday, whereas the TC cafe would be shut on Friday. Makes sense, given the two different religions involved...

Cheers- AL

[Jim B]

I would hazard a guess most of the Cypriot in the UK have dual nationality.

Jim

[WHL]

Brits in Cyprus? This subject goes waaaay before 2004, when ROC joined the EU, surely?

For example, during Margaret Thatcher's record reign as UK Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990 (the mere mention of who will make Jim's 'shop steward' blood boil and steam emit from his ears), she once entertained the then President of the ROC at 10 Downing St. on his visit to the UK.

He asked her "Madam, when are you going to hand the Sovereign Base Areas back to us?"

she relpied: "Sir, when you give us back North London!"

What a cracker, eh? Reality is, I bet there are more TC and GC folk living here in UK than there are UK/ROI folk living in ROC. This will surely count in the coming b-word discussions, as it pre-dates ROC EU membership by a decade or three?


Cheers- AL

Not correct..the vast majority of T/C and G/C who live in the UK are British Passport Holders. So will not have any bearing on Expats in Cyprus.

[Dominic]

I edited WHL's post above because they seemed to be having a bit of trouble with how the quotes worked.

If this is not what you meant WHL, please say and I will be happy to revert it.

[WHL]

Thanks Dominic

[Lofos-Jan]

Hudswell

I am sorry Jan but you are wrong, Sovereign States are not totally slaved to EU regulations and are free to manoeuvre around them, and double taxation agreements, amongst other agreements are prime examples.

The problem is that they are not obliged to do so. Ok, we all hope they will and it is extremely likely but I feel that Brits in general tend to think that we have some kind of infalability. Cyprus are in the middle of lots of negotiations with Israel for example involving stronger ties, cooperation in tourism and investment etc. They will ultimately go where the money is. Yes Brits account for a large lump of the spend in Cyprus but there are many Brits that live here who are not wealthy and don't contribute as much as a rich investor from Russia, China, Lebanon or Israel would. There was a group of people on a documentary last night in the UK and one guy more or less said that we shouldn't worry about Brexit because everybody loved Britiain and would see us right! I think, in this very changed world, this is a now a grossly misplaced assumption.

Jeanne

[Macattack]

In my opinion the major issue would be if there wasn't a reciprocal agreement on Health Care!! The cost of Private Health Care or Health Insurance would be prohibitive for a lot of people! It would also increase the cost of Holiday Insurance significantly potentially affecting Tourism!

[Jimgward]

Hudswell

I am sorry Jan but you are wrong, Sovereign States are not totally slaved to EU regulations and are free to manoeuvre around them, and double taxation agreements, amongst other agreements are prime examples.

The problem is that they are not obliged to do so. Ok, we all hope they will and it is extremely likely but I feel that Brits in general tend to think that we have some kind of infalability. Cyprus are in the middle of lots of negotiations with Israel for example involving stronger ties, cooperation in tourism and investment etc. They will ultimately go where the money is. Yes Brits account for a large lump of the spend in Cyprus but there are many Brits that live here who are not wealthy and don't contribute as much as a rich investor from Russia, China, Lebanon or Israel would. There was a group of people on a documentary last night in the UK and one guy more or less said that we shouldn't worry about Brexit because everybody loved Britiain and would see us right! I think, in this very changed world, this is a now a grossly misplaced assumption.

Jeanne

I think you're right about that. Our arrogance, imperialist past and imperialist attitude exhibited by some tourists, football supporters and others has made sure of that. We haven't ever been good neighbours. We are 25 miles from France, yet it really is another world. Rarely do you see news about other European countries on the UK media, yet we get US news every day. We know little about Norway, Holland, Denmark and others. Our neighbours have been ignored for years, even when we were in the EU. We don't have friendships to fall back on.

[smudger]

Jim, I'd be very surprised if what was happening in UK made the daily news in France! Yet another two way street.

I'd also be surprised if many UK Citizens ever gave a thought to our imperialistic past. Why do you?

I'd also be interested in any evidence that UK news or events regularly appeared on Norwegian, Netherlands or Danish news.

Some broad socialist assumptions here methinks Jim! Any evidence??

[Jim B]

How about this then Smudger, I'm sure Louise will confirm it is Dutch and relates to the Brexit and Spanish claims on Gibraltar. You can read English Language papers in Norway ( I worked there a couple of times) and Denmark ( I lived there for a year) and isn't there a French News Channel that transmits in English. You only have to read this forum or PP to see how many still believe in Queen and Empire; you certainly don't have to go far. it's hilarious, us Remainers are being accused of having Socialist leanings by you and Grumpy and being Fascists by Hudswell.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/2791 ... xit__.html

Jim

[Macattack]

Someone mentioned not getting real news in the UK! It has got so bad that get news I switch to France 24 (English) and Aljaziera!!

[LouiseCastricum]

In The Netherlands we get lots of news from/about the UK as well as from all European countries. Both on TV as in Dutch newspapers.

[Jim B]

How about this then Smudger, I'm sure Louise will confirm it is Dutch and relates to the Brexit and Spanish claims on Gibraltar. You can read English Language papers in Norway ( I worked there a couple of times) and Denmark ( I lived there for a year) and isn't there a French News Channel that transmits in English. You only have to read this forum or PP to see how many still believe in Queen and Empire; you certainly don't have to go far. it's hilarious, us Remainers are being accused of having Socialist leanings by you and Grumpy and being Fascists by Hudswell.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/2791 ... xit__.html

Jim

When have I ever called those who voted to remain in the EU Fascists? And no. I Do not believe in Queen and Empire, but I certainly believe in Queen and country...

Just read through your posts last week; didn't you refer to the EU being run by a bunch of Facsist so by deduction supporters of the EU must also be Facists. I too love my country but I love it as IT it Is, not as it was.

Jim

[Jim B]

No doubt Hudswell but I have been called a traitor to my country by several leave supporters. Unfortunately the country is split down the middle and will remain so. Everything the UK has achieved has been achieved inside the EU; there is a lot to lose and little to gain. The Union is damaged, Northern Ireland sees a better future with Ireland, Spain is looking towards Gibraltar. Was It worth it?

Jim

[WHL]

Im a leave supporter , I believe that any country, than can have its Parliament/ laws over ruled by someone else is no longer a sovereign nation....many years ago a little German tried to rule Europe..fast forward to, today, we have a little German doing the same....thank God the British people woke up and got out.. and before people start calling me a little Englander blah blah blah, you couldn't be further from the truth, just hate unelected bureaucrats telling the little man whats good for him ....As for Cyprus I believe it will have a negative, effect for expats, more so for people who want to work here,...

[Jim B]

I do Labour writing responses as I have to do it on my mobile as my work computer cannot find The Paphos Life Website.
You may believe my comments are ridiculous regarding the benifits of being in the EU but as an example; who was it who made the UK clean up it's rivers and beaches. Do you Believe the UK would have done it on it's own, we would still be pumping raw sewage where our kiddies swim.
We voted in the European elections just as we voted in the UK ones and according to Lord Denning, Master of the Rolls the British parliament had the final say on everything that came out of the EU. I don't think the EU have treated us with contempt, my opinion for what it's worth is that the UK has as usual acted like a spoilt brat and took it's ball home because it couldn't get it's own way. As for Cyprus, I believe it will have a negative affect for everyone.

Jim