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Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:28 pm
by Paphos Life
Over 13 million cubic metres of groundwater will be pumped out in Limassol alone between 2019 and 2022 for the coastal town's construction of high-rise buildings, according to a scientific study....

Read the article and chat about it below...

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:45 pm
by mouse
Confusing and misleading subject description

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:00 pm
by Kili01
Yes, badly written and confusing.
I hope that someone or some body will be able to set a precedent and challenge some of these part foreign financed planning applications for ugly high rise buildings which are springing up, particularly in Limassol, but Paphos is also in danger too.

Dee

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:27 pm
by cyprusmax47
Kili01 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:00 pm
Yes, badly written and confusing.
I hope that someone or some body will be able to set a precedent and challenge some of these part foreign financed planning applications for ugly high rise buildings which are springing up, particularly in Limassol, but Paphos is also in danger too.

Dee
Paphos is not in danger of high rise buildings as the airport is very close where available plots would be...

Max

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 pm
by June
Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought there were plans to build high rise on the headland left of the harbour....or so Rightmove tells me...

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:13 pm
by cyprusmax47
Here a video from the project with buildings not higher than 11 floors, showing also the peninsula....



Max

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:43 pm
by Happy in Cyprus
Dee, can only think you haven't seen any of the new high-rise buildings in Limassol; they are anything but ugly.

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:25 am
by Kili01
HIC,
I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder! I got used to high rise buildings while living in Hong Kong, but there land was at a premium. I don’t think that they improve the look of Limassol. Neither do quite a lot of people who live there. Imagine how you would feel if the view from your house/ apartment was obliterated by one of these monsters and you were forced to live in its shadow... or had to put up with all the noise of its construction and then an increase in the number of vehicles using the roads.

Also how will these high rise buildings stand up to a severe earthquake?

Dee

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:37 am
by Dominic
Some people always like to moan though, no matter what. Compared to the Brutalism of the 60s the buildings going up in LImassol now are works of art.

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:38 am
by Jim B
I understand developers are proposing building high rise apartment blocks in the field next to the Aloe Hotel.

Jim

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:10 am
by Happy in Cyprus
Kili01 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:25 am
Also how will these high rise buildings stand up to a severe earthquake? Dee

Do you suppose for one moment that the commisioning architects haven't thought that one through?

Have you ever queried the vulnerability of monumental skyscrapers in Los Angeles and the western seaboard USA, which is directly on a fault line?

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:04 pm
by Kili01
HIC,
I take your point, regarding high rise buildings built in earthquake zones. But in most developed countries planning and building regs such as the UK, USA etc govt planning depts have the services of their own highly experienced chartered surveyors who will check these plans before they are passed. How many experienced chartered surveyers, mechanical, electrical or engineering etc does the Cyprus Govt or any of the Municipal boards in the main towns have?
When I asked that question a couple of years ago, I discovered that the only properly qualified and experienced surveyors then on island were working independently of Govt and therefore the Govt had to call one in should they decide it might be necessary. Which of course was an extra expense. I was quite surprised as at that time multi story blocks were beging to be built in parts of Pano Paphos.

I hope that these really tall buildings being built in Limassol and presumably eventually in parts of Paphos which are not in the flight path to/ from Paphos Airport are subject to proper licensed surveyors checking the plans first, before any construction starts. And also at set stages during the construction.

Dee

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:30 pm
by jagwheels
Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:10 am
Kili01 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:25 am
Also how will these high rise buildings stand up to a severe earthquake? Dee

Do you suppose for one moment that the commisioning architects haven't thought that one through?

Have you ever queried the vulnerability of monumental skyscrapers in Los Angeles and the western seaboard USA, which is directly on a fault line?
So the architects responsible for the building collapses in Pissouri are blameless. We are all human & make mistakes but hopefully learn from them

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:33 pm
by WHL
It seems that some members on here dont have a good word to say about Cyprus, a while ago we were discussing some fairground attractions, and the same poster was suggesting they are not serviced properly, Police are rubbish, civil servants are rubbish, doctors ,hospitals are rubbish now it seems Cyprus architects / surveyors are two bob, .... it dont matter what we discuss, the moan and whinge R us brigade will poo poo it. Lets get back to the good old Cyprus days, where the Cypriots toiled in fields from morning to dusk, only stopping for a meal of bread and olives, then back home on the donkey, how quaint Cyprus was.

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:39 pm
by Dominic
jagwheels wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:30 pm
Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:10 am
Kili01 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:25 am
Also how will these high rise buildings stand up to a severe earthquake? Dee

Do you suppose for one moment that the commisioning architects haven't thought that one through?

Have you ever queried the vulnerability of monumental skyscrapers in Los Angeles and the western seaboard USA, which is directly on a fault line?
So the architects responsible for the building collapses in Pissouri are blameless. We are all human & make mistakes but hopefully learn from them
That's a hot potato and a a half. I think the problem there (and I may well be wrong) was due to excessive ground water which built up in the years following due to the powers that be not installing decent drainage in the appropriate areas.

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:48 pm
by Jim B
I don't really know much about high rise buildings but I've seen our company drive piles for Fractionator Columns over 120 metres high and guess it's the same technology used. Our crews drove a 40ft pile down and then welded another on top and kept doing that until it met the friction criteria.
They only pumped out ground water when they were building say a control building and had to pour concrete below the water table which would be the same for any building, not just high rises.

Jim

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:06 pm
by boycott
There are at least two reputable ( I know a contradiction in terms) Limassol estate agents that will allege that a high number of the multi story blocks been built in Limassol do NOT have the required planning consents, but the builders have disregarded this little bit of paperwork and carried on building the flats.

I thought what a load of poppycock then I read how many hotels did not have the required licences AND I know of a number so called high class beach bars/cafes/restaurants and clubs that do not have the required licences but have the right influence of those that run Limassol!

Re: Water pumped from the sea to the land for Cyprus' high-rise buildings

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:20 am
by Happy in Cyprus
jagwheels wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:30 pm
So the architects responsible for the building collapses in Pissouri are blameless. We are all human & make mistakes but hopefully learn from them

Building mistakes can and do happen everywhere Norv: what about all the properties which have been built on flood plains in the UK?

Aside from that, the point Dee made concerned whether the high-rise buildings were earthquake proof. As far as it it is possible to make any building eartquake-proof, I have every confidence that tall buildings in Cyprus are.

It is evident from the futuristic designs in Limassol that top-notch architects have been engaged in the design process; why would a top-notch architect put his name to a building which will fall down at the first tremor?