Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

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Re: Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

Post by Varky » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:23 pm

smudger wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:10 am
Agree with you Stelios, but Javid must act within the realms of the law, which is exactly what he is doing. I hate it as much as many people seem to that she is seen to be getting away with her 'crimes'. Think much needs to be watched and monitored once she returns. I personally feel she has not truly renounced her beliefs and will revert to form once she is back.
I pray to God that either im wrong or the security services are on her case from day one.
Agreed and this was the point that I was trying to make. This is what separates us from the terrorists. Knee-jerk reactions would allow the terrorists to point out that we are no better than them. Don't get me wrong. Bring her back, put her in prison for a long time and pump her incessantly for information as to how she was recruited, what part her family played in that and everything that she and others did whilst out in Syria. Make it so that a refugee camp in Syria would have been paradise in comparison and she should have stayed there.

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Re: Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

Post by Jimgward » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:55 pm

Varky, I do agree with you that she needs to be simply allowed back in, arrested immediately, without trial, and kept out of society for a long time.

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Post by Devil » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:22 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:55 pm
Varky, I do agree with you that she needs to be simply allowed back in, arrested immediately, without trial, and kept out of society for a long time.
That sounds perilously close to a concentration camp. Personally, I say never let her enter the UK and simply forget she existed.

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Post by Varky » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:03 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:55 pm
Varky, I do agree with you that she needs to be simply allowed back in, arrested immediately, without trial, and kept out of society for a long time.
Slight disagreement here as I think she has to go through the due process of the law. Whilst I totally disagree with Devil. Who knows, leaving her out there could create an even more dangerous terrorist.

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Post by STELIOSBWFC » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:30 am

Varky wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:03 pm
Jimgward wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:55 pm
Varky, I do agree with you that she needs to be simply allowed back in, arrested immediately, without trial, and kept out of society for a long time.
Slight disagreement here as I think she has to go through the due process of the law. Whilst I totally disagree with Devil. Who knows, leaving her out there could create an even more dangerous terrorist.
Not if you delete her!!

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Post by Firefly » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:38 pm

I do agree with Devil on this occasion.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

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Post by Devil » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:54 pm

Firefly wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:38 pm
I do agree with Devil on this occasion.
Red letter day: Firefly agrees with me ! :lol: :lol: :lol: (Sorry, I couldn't resist! :twisted: :twisted: )

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Post by Firefly » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:27 pm

Devil

Yes it's quite incredible isn't it :lol:
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Post by Jimgward » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:26 am

Devil wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:22 pm
Jimgward wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:55 pm
Varky, I do agree with you that she needs to be simply allowed back in, arrested immediately, without trial, and kept out of society for a long time.
That sounds perilously close to a concentration camp. Personally, I say never let her enter the UK and simply forget she existed.
Devil - you are correct with the concentration camp analogy, BUT, as a British citizen, she is our responsibility, unfortunately.

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Post by Devil » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:35 am

Jimgward wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:26 am
, BUT, as a British citizen, she is our responsibility, unfortunately.
She is no longer a British citizen. The Home Secretary formally rescinded her UK nationality. She is either Danish, through marriage, or Bangladeshi, through birth. I cannot understand the weak arguments to bring her back to the UK. Let her stew in her own juice, wherever, but not the UK!

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Post by Lofos-5 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:40 am

Dutch not Danish. Not that it matters though ...

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Post by Devil » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:04 pm

Mea Culpa, Dutch it is!

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Post by Varky » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:25 pm

Devil wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:35 am
Jimgward wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:26 am
, BUT, as a British citizen, she is our responsibility, unfortunately.
She is no longer a British citizen. The Home Secretary formally rescinded her UK nationality. She is either Danish, through marriage, or Bangladeshi, through birth. I cannot understand the weak arguments to bring her back to the UK. Let her stew in her own juice, wherever, but not the UK!
The fact is that what the Home Secretary did, by revoking her citizenship, was illegal under international law. All this about Dutch/Danish/Bangladeshi citizenship is just smoke and mirrors. I suppose you will be the first to complain about the expense being incurred when her lawyers, with legal aid, contest his ruling and the commensurate expense incurred on lawyers defending the action.

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Post by Firefly » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:41 pm

She has Dutch citizenship from her Dutch husband, she has Bangladeshi citizenship also, but neither country will have her, just the stupid 'do gooders' of the UK will fight for her rights. What about the rights of the children of the UK, blown apart in Manchester ! Let's not forget them, we owe her NOTHING.
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Post by Firefly » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:27 pm

Dominic

She has been stripped of her British Citizenship, and rightly so, interpret the law anyway you like.

If people choose to support this terrorist, because that is what she is, as I see it, it's the 'do gooders' brigade, who care not that our citizens are being killed and maimed on their own streets, but care only for the perpetrators, why I will never understand.
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Re: Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

Post by 71 Trans Am » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:12 pm

Get’s quite heated at times on here over the slightest thing.

She would not get back into the UK even if she still had her citizenship for a couple of reasons – She could not go back to her family even after interrogation as she would not last 30 seconds the way feelings are about these kind of people – Nobody would employ her or want anything to do with her - They would have to give her a new identity – Safe house – 24 hour protection – A giro cheque for life – and anything else she asks for – Its not going to happen there would be public outcry if they even thought about bringing her back – She is just scum and does not deserve to be still alive.

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Re: Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

Post by smudger » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:23 am

Hhhhmmmm, watch this space Trans Am. The law is still a damn powerful thing in the UK, hence Javids reticence. Sadly, it's power has been severely clipped in recent times due to the 'laissez-fair'' brigade, but it is still the law. Let's wait and see.

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Post by PhotoLady » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:21 am

It may be worth taking a read under the heading "Intended Return" - all of it, not just the parts that annoy you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum
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Re: Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

Post by Varky » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:41 am

Also it might be useful if people google "revocation of UK citizenship". From the various options, I understood, in the main part such revocation can only take place when citizenship was granted by naturalisation and not by birth. In addition, it was considered that revocation of citizenship was an abrogation of that country's obligation to deal internally with the revocee's (?) crimes, by passing the buck on to another country, so to say.

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Re: Shamima Begum - this is going to cost UK a small fortune....

Post by Dominic » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:24 pm

PhotoLady wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:21 am
It may be worth taking a read under the heading "Intended Return" - all of it, not just the parts that annoy you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum
The most important bit about that is the first sentence:

Shamima Begum (born c. 2000) is a British-born woman

It's nothing to do with being a bleeding heart liberal, but facing up to the UK's responsibilities.
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