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[Dominic]

Perhaps we should start calling it Project Fact?

[Jim B]

Whether they build the X Trail in Japan or Sunderland the vehicle will still have to meet the EU emission regulations if they want to sell them in Europe. You can sugarcoat it all you like but would the decision be the same without Brexit, we will never know? It's another nail in the coffin of the British Auto Industry.

Jim

[Jim B]

They make the same vehicle with a petrol engine in Japan. They ship parts all over the world. Japan has just signed a massive trade deal with the EU. Why ship cars from the UK and pay tariffs when they can ship cars from Japan and pay none. If there is no deal or no customs union then the cost of assembling vehicles in the UK will shoot up and not be financially viable. I watching the M.D. of Berger, who make car parts in Sunderland being interviewed this morning and he said customers in the EU are cancelling contracts because of Brexit. Now you can pretend none of this has anything to do with Brexit but MD' s and Chairmen from some of the biggest companies in the UK beg to differ.
You never commented about the 900 who lost their jobs in the Drugs Lisencing Agency a couple of weeks ago; I wonder why, nothing to deflect the blame from Brexit I presume.

Jim

[tonee]

Always thought it strange that Sunderland voted 62% to leave the EU,when Nissan is one of the main employers.

[Jim B]

Hudswell
But is the price worth paying? Is X Trail the thin end of the wedge; there's over seven thousand work at Nissan and another 40,000 subcontractors (BBC News) who manufacture parts who will be affected if the Sunderland factory closes; when is the price too high; 1 million, 2 million, 5 million job losses?
It's easy to sit there with a nice pension saying it's a price worth paying when you're not paying the bill don't you think?

Jim

[Jim B]

Termites Dream
That's why I said you are sugarcoating it because it has a lot to do with Brexit. Of course I'm aware there are other factors but many others more expert than me believe that without Brexit there is every possibility they would have continued with the X Trail.

Jim

[kingfisher]

Update to Production Plan for Next-Generation X-Trail

2019/02/03

Rolle, Switzerland – Nissan Motor Company Ltd. today announced that the next-generation X-Trail for the European market will be produced in its Kyushu plant in Japan.

This model was previously planned for production in Sunderland, UK, as announced in 2016.

Since that time, Nissan has increased its investments in new powertrains and technology for its future European vehicles. Therefore the company has decided to optimise its investments in Europe by consolidating X-Trail production in Kyushu, the production hub for this global model. Other future models planned for Nissan Sunderland Plant - the next-generation Juke and Qashqai - are unaffected.

Nissan Executive Vice President for Manufacturing and Supply Chain Management, Hideyuki Sakamoto, said: "A model like X-Trail is manufactured in multiple locations globally, and can therefore be re-evaluated based on changes to the business environment. As always, Nissan has to make optimal use of its global investments for the benefits of its customers."

Nissan Europe Chairman Gianluca de Ficchy said: "Nissan is investing heavily in new technologies and powertrains for the next generation of vehicles in our Sunderland plant. To support this we are taking advantage of our global assets, and with X-Trail already manufactured in Japan, we can reduce our upfront investment costs.

"We appreciate this will be disappointing for our UK team and partners. Our workforce in Sunderland has our full confidence, and will continue to benefit from the investment planned for Juke and Qashqai.

"While we have taken this decision for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future."

Production of the next-generation Juke and Qashqai in Sunderland, the biggest car plant in the UK, is supported by major new facilities including a recently-launched new Paint facility and a second new extra-large press.

Current production in Sunderland also includes the Nissan LEAF, Europe's best-selling electric car, which reached a record 46,989 production last year, up 177% from the previous year. The new Nissan LEAF e+ upgrade, including an extended-range 62kwh battery, launches in the coming months.


https://uk.nissannews.com/en-GB/release ... on-x-trail

[Jim B]

Jon
It doesn't take long to move production to a new location and there's plenty of EU countries who can provide the workforce. A Press and Paint Shop could be moved in days if Nissan wanted to; as stated the X Trail could be the thin end of the wedge. And wasn't it Nissan who promised they would build two new models in Sunderland and they've already renagued on that.

Hudswell
I would go further and say many still don't know. You just have to read the comments in the likes of the Telegraph, Mail etc and some of the claims are so outlandish they are laughable.
The question is what benefits and gains are you or your family going to receive that makes Brexit and the damage it's doing to many of our fellow countrymen and women all worth while?

Jim

[Jim B]

Hudswell
You just don't seem to comprehend that it's the UK who is leaving the EU and not the other way round. You want the best of both worlds; you want to leave but keep all the best bits. If I leave a club I don't expect all the benefits I had when I was a member but you appear to want to cherry pick what you want and what you don't want without any consequences. As May said, leave means leave. The EU has stated their position from day one and stuck to it, you call it punishment because you can't have your own way. It seems now more than half the population are against leaving but you insist we Remainers should support Brexit which is something we fundamentally don't believe in and in the same breath you talk about democracy.
The EU has given more rights and opportunities to the ordinary people than were ever given freely by any major party in the UK but you're closing your eyes to that. The Tory Party are very quick in claiming the credit for many EU initiatives .
All regions of the UK benefited from the EU; it's a pity the media didn't focus on that rather than stories about straight bananas.

Jim

[Jim B]

Hudswell it is the EUs prerogative whether it accepts the "damage", it's not up to the UK to decide for the EU. What you are stamping your feet about is that the EU will not bow down to Britain's demands; it's the UK who are trying to browbeat and bully the EU into giving the UK what it wants.
To expect Remainers who in their opinion have had fundamental rights denied to them is wishful thinking; would you give Corbyn 100% backing if he was voted into power; I don't think so.
You can check out my last comment on Google and I know all the major projects in the North West were funded by the EU; you don't have to take my word for it but the information is there if you care to look.
As someone wrote in one of the newspapers the other day, the Tories don't realise there's anything North of Leeds because that's as far as HS2 goes.

Jim

[kingfisher]

"Brexit is a revolt against a German run superstate"
Excellent and refreshing article from an INDEPENDENT EXPERT. 400+ comments already.
Commentary by Dr. Michael Ivanovitch, an independent analyst focusing on world economy, geopolitics and investment strategy. He served as a senior economist at the OECD in Paris, international economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and taught economics at Columbia Business School.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexi ... 39638.html

[Jimgward]

KIngfisher, I found the article interesting and entertaining, not least his chosen language for certain events... "letha" when describing police at riots in France (when they always carry sidearms there....)

This bloke is not that senior, not necessarily an expert, so it's an individual opinion, like many others... He doesn't base his conclusion on much more than anti-German feeling and some historical references....

[Jimgward]

Hudswell
You just don't seem to comprehend that it's the UK who is leaving the EU and not the other way round. You want the best of both worlds; you want to leave but keep all the best bits. If I leave a club I don't expect all the benefits I had when I was a member but you appear to want to cherry pick what you want and what you don't want without any consequences. As May said, leave means leave. The EU has stated their position from day one and stuck to it, you call it punishment because you can't have your own way. It seems now more than half the population are against leaving but you insist we Remainers should support Brexit which is something we fundamentally don't believe in and in the same breath you talk about democracy.
The EU has given more rights and opportunities to the ordinary people than were ever given freely by any major party in the UK but you're closing your eyes to that. The Tory Party are very quick in claiming the credit for many EU initiatives .
All regions of the UK benefited from the EU; it's a pity the media didn't focus on that rather than stories about straight bananas.

Jim

Now, now, James..... you'll be getting called a socialist and communist...

[Jim B]

Hudswell
Why is it arrogance to state the obvious, the border between Eire and Northern Ireland will become a border between the EU and a third country; why can't you understand that?
Secondly as HIC stated, both parties have been negotiating for nearly two years and it's because Brexiteers are unhappy negotiations weren't as easy as they were promised are blaming the EU for the failure of the government.


Jim

[Jim B]

Another one the government lied about. This will affect many who live and travel in Europe. Roaming Charges.

Jim

htatps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brits-eu ... 93b20ab335

[Jim B]

Of course it's to protect the providers and not the consumers; that's what Brexit is all about. How long do you think it will be before the providers find a reason to increase their charges when there's no legislation to prevent otherwise.

Jim

[ApusApus]

Latest news from Jaguar Land Rover …………………… they've reported a 3.4bn loss for the last quarter of 2018 and their chief executive stated that "our overall performance continued to be impacted by challenging market conditions in China"! https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47155145

Maybe he forgot to mention Brexit in his summing up of their problems?


Shane

[Jim B]

So you would expect the providers to absorb any costs that may be placed upon them by the EU? Potentially putting the smaller providers out of business? And how on earth do you reach the conclusion that’s what Brexit is all about? Actually I would expect those providers who do not implement roaming charges to benefit from an increased customer base...don’t you?

The Mobile Providers are amongst the most profitable companies in the UK and are also brought to book for overcharging or contractual deviations by the Ombudsman on a regular basis and you're suggesting that it's acceptable for these companies to police themselves; you are joking?

Jim

[Jim B]

Right I understand now, it's the providers right where and when it can to rip the customers off because that's how competition works and the government should just stand back and let them? There is no rhyme or reason for Roaming charges, it's just a nice little earner for little outlay which is why the EU clamped down on it.
Nothing to do with nationalisation just hate seeing companies in positions of power taking advantage of their customers which appears to be something you condone.

Jim

[Jimgward]

Jim B, you are wrong about Roaming. It’s actually very expensive for some countries, who have tourism, to essentially allow free use of their networks.

Operators worked to something called ARPU - Average Rate Per Unit - which was £45 way back in the early days. 20 years later and it is half that. They still have to build new networks and pay licences and yes, they are normally profitable, but not always. Takeovers have been endemic and only by being big canyon make the profits of Vodafone worldwide.