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Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:27 pm
by ApusApus
Jimgward wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:31 pm Well, a Tory minster wants us to threaten to starve out Ireland, to increase our negotiation power.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 72326.html
You should really stop quoting the Independent if you want to improve your creditability ……………………… actually, on second thoughts, keep quoting the Independent? :lol:


Shane

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:17 pm
by Jimgward
:oops: Not interested in personal credibility - but don’t you quote the Mail? :roll:

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm
by Jimgward
Especially for Shane..... His ‘credible’ Express.....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... el-twitter

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:33 pm
by ApusApus
Unfortunately Jimgward, I don't do The Mail nor The Express for that matter but obviously you do! :o


Shane

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:07 pm
by Jimgward
I'm a well rounded individual - I actually pay to get the Mail delivered - albeit, according to some on here, I'm a communist!

The story is in the Times, if your aspirations reach that far....

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:47 pm
by Firefly
When they say "UK can cancel Brexit" to whom exactly are they referring ? We, the people, or the politicians we elected to carry out our wishes.

Jackie

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:21 pm
by Jimgward
So, what are our wishes, because they seem to all be different....and dont tell me the referendum was our wishes.... that was 2 years ago and blind. We now know some of the consequences and the majority don’t like what they see....

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:19 pm
by ApusApus
You don't get it Jimgward, do you? The "People's Vote" doesn't keep happening but you seem to think it does ……………… and what will be the position in 2 years time, or 5 or 10 years, do we have another vote when it suits your particular view? :roll:


Shane

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:37 am
by jeba
Firefly wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:47 pm politicians we elected to carry out our wishes.
Isn´t the UK a representative democracy? If so, you don´t elect MPs to carry out your wishes but rather to take the decisions they deem best.

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:02 am
by Jim B
Correct Jeba.

Jim

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:12 pm
by Firefly
Jeba

Represent us, i.e. carry out the wishes of the people they represent no ?

Jackie

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:45 pm
by jeba
Firefly wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:12 pm Jeba

Represent us, i.e. carry out the wishes of the people they represent no ?

Jackie
No. That wouldn´t be a representative democracy (where MPs are only accountable to their conscience and supposed to vote for what they deem best - which isn´t necessarily what the majority of voters want) but a direct democracy (where they are bound e. g. by referenda).

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:38 pm
by Firefly
So does that mean that the referendum result means nothing if the majority of M.P.s don't want to leave the EU ? If so, it all seems like a huge waste of time and public money and a recipe for disaster.

Brexiteers are becoming restless, not good. Still my initial question remains unanswered.


Jackie

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:03 pm
by jeba
Firefly wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:38 pm So does that mean that the referendum result means nothing if the majority of M.P.s don't want to leave the EU ? If so, it all seems like a huge waste of time and public money and a recipe for disaster.
Well, that´s how representative democracies are supposed to work. It´s not the for electorate to directly make decisions (unlike e. g. in Switzerland).

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:55 pm
by Firefly
Then why did we have a referendum ?

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:24 pm
by kingfisher
Jackie- To try and fool the great unwashed into thinking that we actually have some say.
More fools us for falling for it- the same arrogant, entitled elite- global finance, multinationals and their flunkies in politics, the media and academia will, it seems, continue to call the shots.

Jon.

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:37 pm
by Firefly
Jon

I fear you are correct, we will just have to wait and see what transpires now that Mrs May will continue in her role as P.M.

Jackie

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:41 pm
by kingfisher
Spot-on TD. Yet the obvious next step, civil unrest, and revolution, tried in France in 1789, is equally unsuccessful, because they’re still smashing the place up 200 years later.
Mind you, that could be just down to the French temperament, which reminds me of a good saying: “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”……

Jon

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:10 pm
by Firefly
T.D.

Quite so, but then why do we allow such a waste of our money without complaint.


Jackie

Re: The Brexit Special

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:17 pm
by Dominic
Because nobody has yet come up with a better alternative.