The Brexit Special

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by living the dream » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:23 am

Have just returned to the UK and thought I would just post some thoughts from other citizens of the world I have been speaking to whilst on my travels to the Far East, USA and Australia. Whilst many people were bemused that the UK voted for Brexit they are equally bemused at the way the negotiations are going.

Europe and not just the UK is world news with many people pointing out that with all the problems in the Med Countries such as Spain, Italy, Greece etc the UK may be better off out of the EU, equally many people stated that the Brexit vote should be honoured whether it had been remain or leave with politicians putting their own political agendas ahead of the people they represent. Some people I had spoken with were also equally bemused as to why the UK would want to leave the EU whilst others could not understand how any country or Bloc of Countries could allow a process where unelected Presidents were free to determine the fete of others. All in all I would say that the conversations had were fairly equally split in the pros and cons of Brexit.

When the subject of trade deals came up in various chats most people agreed that trade deals would be forthcoming once the UK is free to negotiate and at least the UK would be negotiating on its own behalf without having to have consent from 27 other countries. The interesting comments that came back was the Med Countries were considered as the poor relations in the EU with mass youth unemployment and migration etc whilst the Northern Countries all appear fairly prosperous albeit that the politics were now moving in a more worrying direction.

So in summary from other views from other global citizens I had the pleasure in talking to:- Was the UK right to vote leave - equally split in my opinion, will the UK prosper in the global market - more people felt probably it would , is the EU rock solid - definitely not

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:33 pm

Interesting point, LtD.

The UK is a Services country, with much of those services being within the financial sector.Manufacturing is almost all as part of European or Worldwide organisations, such as Car Manufacture.
It is VITAL that these are protected, so that freedom of movement of parts is not hampered under any deal. Additionally, there is a great risk of finance moving to Amsterdam and Frankfurt. Almost all Finance organisations in the UK, have opened up EU offices to cover themselves.

The UK needs to remain attractive for companies to stay, as well as for EU countries to do business with UK countries.

At this point though, we are in the dark. We do not know what kind of deal will be done. My gut feeling, is a 'hard' Brexit with no deal, but a temporary 2 year customs union. This suits the EU more than us, as it allows them more time to 'pull' business from the UK.

So, in conclusion, I cannot see any positive. The EU is our biggest trading partners and we need to keep that so, but I don't think we can.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by kingfisher » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:33 pm

@ living the dream.
Thank you for a very informative first- hand- experience based comment.
Interesting that the split you refer to approximates to the voting split in UK.

BTW, Were 52% of your informants old/ thick/ uneducated/ male/ racist etc? [Just joking!]

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jim B » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:43 pm

Kingfisher
Having spent most of my life working for a very large American multi national with a diverse workforce from more or less every country in the world I could provide the opinions of people I lived with, worked with, ate with and socialised with (rather than had a passing chat with) from numerous countries off my last project though I'm pretty sure you would discount my first hand experience as irrelevant. The most amusing comments were from Americans who were pleased with Brexit as they finally found a nation more stupid than the USA after they voted in Trump for President.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by kingfisher » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:59 pm

So, Jim, you see a majority of the Americans [i.e., those who voted for Trump], as being “stupid”. You also impute further stupidity to them by virtue of their being pleased about Brexit on the basis of certain assumed parallels between Brexit and Trump.

You rather prove my point: that many remainers assert that voting a certain way, even in majority, is “stupidity”.
That in itself is a stupid assertion. The Flat Earth Society meets every Wednesday in Paphos - so I’m informed- and they regard the majority as stupid- give them a try Jim!

[BTW, 136 days left].

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jim B » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:17 pm

The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump, please check and I was repeating comments made to me by many of my American work mates, they're not comments of my own. They suggested people who voted for both Trump and Brexit were on the same intellectual level. I wouldn't dare write what the Aussies and New Zealanders opinions on trade deals are in case there are people of a nervous disposition reading.
Well it appears you know more about the Flat Earth Society than I do; did you enquire about membership ;-)

You can always scroll up to get the opinions of some leavers who attended the Farage leave conference in Harrogate.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by kingfisher » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Jim,
When I contacted them on your behalf, the Flat Earth Society was delighted- as they only take REMAINERS!

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:42 pm

Well. Apparently the text of a deal has been agreed by both sides. Now for tomorrow’s cabinet explosion.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jim B » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:43 pm

Don't worry Jon, we could all be Remainers the way things are going. 😊

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:36 pm

Brexit deal: EU says it ‘will retain all control’ under Theresa May’s agreement, leaked note shows
Brussels believes UK will also have to 'swallow' compromises for access to EU markets

This is from latest Independent newspaper headline....

Enough to rearm the brexit supporters in May’s cabinet - so no deal will be signed off today.... it’s heading for the precipice....

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Termites Dream » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:13 am

Jimgward wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:58 pm


Hmmmm. UK lowest and Ireland second highest.

Project Fear?
The problem with forecasts is that they can go so wrong that they have little meaning. As an example I do not recall the EU showing a shrinking GDP figure for Germany at anytime. Lets hope it is a one off as suggested.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11- ... -collapses

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:46 am

There are similar figures for the following two years and guess who is still bottom!

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Termites Dream » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:50 am

Jim have a look at the article it could be Germany "IS "bottom. That is not a wish, Germany is the engine of Europe.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jim B » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:26 am

This article from the New Yorker IMHO really lays out the position on Brexit.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... n-in-tears

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:30 am

The article really does sum it up Jim. Amazing how an outsider can see the picture more clearly than those closer to the action.

The writer clearly identifies that the UK does have many more freedoms (to set it's own rules) as a member of the EU than Brexiteers would have us believe.

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jimgward » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:00 pm

I have said before, that right-wing media has perpetrated the “bad EU” myth. Made up stories and has Britain always referrring to the EU as “them” rather than “us” - never wanting people to really feel a part of it - some examples;

Rebuked here - https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu ... a-z-index/

Euromyths A-Z index
Number of views : 356713
A-Z Index of Euromyths 1992 to 2017

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Abattoirs – EC hygiene rules force closure of abattoirs, Nov 1992

Abattoirs – Local meat products under threat from new EC Health Directives, Jan 1993

Acres – Acres are outlawed by Brussels, Jul 2008

Acrobats, Africa – EU funding for African acrobats and trapeze artists, July 2015

Aga – New EU sulphur rules will cause problems with oil-fired Aga’s, Dec 2009

A-levels – EU to phase out A-levels for EU style diplomas, Jan 2000

Acorns – EU to prevent the sale of English oak seeds, Nov 1994

Advertising, sex discrimination – EU to ban advertising for same-sex flats, Sep 2004

Advertising, sweets and toys – Swedish Presidency will force a ban on sweet and toy ads, Feb 1999

Africa, Circus artists – EU funding for African acrobats and trapeze artists, July 2015

Agriculture, set-aside – Farmers to be encouraged to mow land early resulting in “massacre” of game, May 1993

Agriculture, subsidies and fraud – CAP spending and fraud out of control, Aug 1993

Agriculture, three-crop rule – EU tells British farmers what they can grow, Nov 2014

Aircraft, low flying jets – MOD to be forced to pay compensation for military jet noise pollution, Dec 1995

Alcohol sales – EU ‘bans boozing’, Feb 2005

Ale, name – Light ale to be forced to change its name, May 2005

Allergen rules – UK diners will face £200m for EU allergen rules, Nov 2014

Ambulances – False alarm over 999 calls, Dec 2006

Ambulances – Ambulances turn yellow for Europe, Mar 2002

Ambulances, St Johns – EU to force St Johns Ambulances to replace its entire fleet, Apr 2002

America – Let’s quit the EU and link up with America, Oct 1998

Animals, use of human medicines – Human medicines to be forbidden for use on animals, Feb/Mar 1995

Anthem, European – Europeans to find themselves singing about “the motherland”, Feb 2004

Anti-drugs, Peru – Taxpayers money used to rehabilitate Peruvian drug addicts, Jul 2014

Apples, Apple orchards – British apple orchards to lose out to over productive continental farms, Mar 1995

Apples, Danish – EC regulations forbid the marketing of Ingrid Marie apple, Nov 1992

Apples, standards – Quality standards ban curved cucumbers and certain apples, Jun 1993

Aristocrats, and wine labels – EC to register aristocrats to check for improper labelling of wine, Oct 1993

Army vehicles – Army to be forced to upgrade trailers in line with EU Directive, Jun 2005

Asylum laws – Misunderstanding between EU and UN asylum laws, Feb 2000

Aviation – ‘Open Skies’ treaty threatens fight agains global warming, Feb 2006


Rest here
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... _ccKI9mSrg


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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jim B » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:04 pm

More Project Fear but this time it's the Police who are spreading it.

Jim


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 35726.html

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Jim B » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:08 pm

This from the Wall Street Journal showing the exodus of EU Doctors and Specialists from the NHS. Of course it's all Project Fear until it's a Leave voters family member who needs one of these specialists and then it will be Project Fact.

Jim

https://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-doctors ... 1543755600

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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:18 am

Had to laugh yesterday. Was reading a story on Twitter about a NASA spacecraft having beamed back images of giant asteroid Bennu, which scientists estimate has a one-in-2,700 chance of hitting Earth 166 years from now. Some wag posted underneath (with more than a hint of truth about it):



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Re: The Brexit Special

Post by Varky » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:19 am

The mess that we are in over Brexit could possibly have been alleviated if, after the original Brexit referendum, a further 'referendum' had taken place with various options on Brexit to find out what the population really wanted, as opposed to an 'in or out' option. This way the infighting between the various factions, the ERG, the labour party, remainers etc. would be in less doubt as to what the populace really wanted. Of course, this means a bit of joined up thinking by politicians and that is where my suggestion falls down

Personally I would have voted for a limited Brexit. I have no problem with EU immigrants as, in the main, they pay their taxes and contribute to the UK economy. There are already mechanisms (Unused) that prevent misuse of social payments. I have no problem with a customs union as long as any duties/payments reflect trade between the EU and UK. I agree the UK should honour its commitments to the already agreed budgets (with a time limit).
Unfortunately our politicians have, generally, let us down.

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