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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jim B » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:53 am

trevnhil wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:27 am
Jim B. Many thanks for taking the trouble to find the links and put them on. It does indeed clarify the points you were referring to.

I agree about South Cumbria being a nice place :-)
Didn't it all used to be part of Lancashire :D

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by trevnhil » Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:27 am

Although I lived near there, I don't know the answer to your question Jim
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jim B » Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:12 am

Trev
I worked with a lad from Barrow and he always insisted he was a Lancastrian and the old maps showed Lancashire going up as far as Coniston. Below is a link to old maps of Lancashire; very interesting (well I think so) :)


https://www.bing.com/search?q=old+maps+ ... HRDEF&sp=3
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jim B » Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:15 am

Alan
An interesting video that clarifies the 350 million. If the Link doesnt work just go to Youtube and type in jon Danzig and it's a video with bus in the title.



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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by PhotoLady » Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:42 am

Jim B wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:12 am
Trev
I worked with a lad from Barrow and he always insisted he was a Lancastrian and the old maps showed Lancashire going up as far as Coniston. Below is a link to old maps of Lancashire; very interesting (well I think so) :)


https://www.bing.com/search?q=old+maps+ ... HRDEF&sp=3
I found this, it explains a little while about the Lancashire / Lake District / Cumbria connection:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lancashire
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jimgward » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:33 pm

UK drops to 11th in Imports for Germany - sourcing from other EU partners instead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58484454

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jimgward » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:29 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58501527

Three Network (CSP) in the Uk now adding roaming charges to new contracts…. Only a matter of time before all existing contracts will also pay roaming…

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jim B » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:30 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:29 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58501527

Three Network (CSP) in the Uk now adding roaming charges to new contracts…. Only a matter of time before all existing contracts will also pay roaming…
Jim
You won't get a response because generally people are reluctant to admit they made a mistake. Over the last few days we've posted numerous links to items that proves Brexit isn't the road to sunlit uplands and unicorns and not one response to either agree or disagree. The only comment is they're bored with the whole thing which to me is a bit like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
The UK is lurching from crisis to crisis and lie to lie and Brexit supporters don't say a word about it.

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jimgym » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:21 pm

Possibly because people are fed up of CONSTANTLY having to defend their reason for voting as they did. That, and people not feeling obliged to comment on every single Brexit post as if it was their sole responsibility to defend it.

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by PhotoLady » Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:21 am

Well I've struggled to think of anything good which has come from it. So much so, I searched whether Brexit has been a success.

This is an interesting review:
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-success-five-years/
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:02 am

The other day a former member of PL sent me an email:

"You are obviously doing just fine as you don’t give up driving home the mistakes of the UK government’s decision to proceed with Brexit. Well done. 👏🏼 For many years I had been subscribing to a fund for my granddaughter (since birth & now 16). I no longer retain a bank a/c in the uk & NS&I will no longer accept funds from non-uk banks! Why? Brexit of course!"

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Possibly because people are fed up of CONSTANTLY having to defend their reason for voting as they did. That, and people not feeling obliged to comment on every single Brexit post as if it was their sole responsibility to defend it.

And yet, and yet, every single day they're perusing and responding to Brexit posts in the Political section. I guess they must still be thinking of the right words to use in support of Brexit.

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There have been many arguments put forward by leave voters on the benefits but EVERY SINGLE TIME you ignore them.

Can you provide a link jimgym or point me in the right direction. The mention of benefits must have happened so quickly I missed it :lol:

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For what it’s worth, I am a degree educated engineer but because I do not share the view on something you seem qualified to insult my intellect? :roll:

Many decades ago I was in digs with a family in London, where the husband employed people in his butchery business. He used to say: "If I have a choice of taking on someone who is intelligent or someone who has common sense, I'll take the latter anyday."

One has only to reflect that Boris went to Eton, speaks Latin and got a degree. Would I trust him to run a bath? Not a chance :lol:

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Again, if you are so passionate about the UK, why are not there trying to do something about it?

Like what? The present incumbent government aren't capable, what chance has an individual? Anyway, I'm quite happy with our family's adopted home in Cyprus and have more than enough to keep me busy.

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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:44 am

For Jim B, the full picture:

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Uncle D » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:31 am

I believe that the dumping of sewage is being allowed because Australia want the UK to drop some climate promises as part of the trade deal, A deal only worth about 34 million per year

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-c ... 16260.html

Britain is to host the Climate Change Conference (Cop 26) in Glasgow in a few months! :roll:
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Les Bean » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:43 am

Jimgym wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:21 pm
Possibly because people are fed up of CONSTANTLY having to defend their reason for voting as they did. That, and people not feeling obliged to comment on every single Brexit post as if it was their sole responsibility to defend it.
As far as I can recall, reasons for voting to leave were mainly non specific such as "taking back control" "regaining sovereignty" getting away from Brussels' control,
If I'm wrong here and I missed other more tangible reasons for voting I'm prepared to admit that I've been mistaken, something I suspect not everyone is prepared to do

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by trevnhil » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:11 am

I think the bus with the writing on it swayed many people. "Let's give the NHS the 350 MILLION Pounds a WEEK we give to the EU
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by PhotoLady » Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:28 am

It's long, contains lots of current information and references but this blog article is worth a read as it covers so much more than gets discussed here.

I suggest you get a large cup of coffee and a sandwich:
https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co ... e.html?m=1
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jim B » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:09 pm

Les Bean wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:43 am
Jimgym wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:21 pm
Possibly because people are fed up of CONSTANTLY having to defend their reason for voting as they did. That, and people not feeling obliged to comment on every single Brexit post as if it was their sole responsibility to defend it.
As far as I can recall, reasons for voting to leave were mainly non specific such as "taking back control" "regaining sovereignty" getting away from Brussels' control,
If I'm wrong here and I missed other more tangible reasons for voting I'm prepared to admit that I've been mistaken, something I suspect not everyone is prepared to do
Hi Les. I agree with you. My sister told me her reason for voting leave was because she wanted things to be the way they were. Now considering six of us were brought up in next to poverty in a two up two down with an outside toilet I couldn't really get my head around it. When I asked for a tangible benefit she couldn't provide one reason and it goes on.

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:12 am

Jim, there was a lot of xenophobia at the time too, largely encouraged by Farage and hard right elements of the political spectrum. And not just about black people, but Europeans too. Even hard-working Poles and eastern Europeans were made to feel uncomfortable and unwanted in their daily lives and many subsequently chose to go back home. Others returned to their home nation because of Covid...and are not now permitted to return.

But these were the very people who did the kind of menial tasks which Brits by and large didn't want to do, picking crops, working in fish and meat processing, the care sector, coffee shops, hospitality and, yes, delivering goods by road.

Priti Patel then put a €30k minimum guaranteed annual salary on 3rd world workers before they were permitted to come and work in the UK.

When we had a home in the states we saw the same dumb logic. Many Americans hated (and still do) the idea of Mexicans and Hispanics (even the legal ones) being permitted to work in the southern US states, but couldn't quite see the irony in searching out these same people when they wanted cheap work done in and around the home.

So now, because the UK no longer has freedom of movement (having exited the EU) it cannot bear the thought of allowing the workers it needs to enter the UK. That would be losing face big time and admitting they got it wrong. The UK will pay a very heavy price for the mistake of Brexit.
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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:21 am

trevnhil wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:11 am
I think the bus with the writing on it swayed many people. "Let's give the NHS the 350 MILLION Pounds a WEEK we give to the EU

Indeed, but it was widely pointed out at the time that this was a completely misleading figure, as 40% of this figure was rebated back to the UK. Boris and co later admitted that this was a fraudulent claim.

The public believe fraudulent claims from lying, self-serving politicians at their peril.

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Re: If only I'd warned...

Post by Jimgward » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:54 am

James O’Brien, admittedly a Remainer, interviewed hundreds of people on Brexit and when quizzed deeply, most admitted to either it being about immigration or money… the bus….

Interestingly, a poll of English voters now puts Labour above the Conservatives for the first time. - the reason? The National Insurance tax rise…. So when faced with any tax increase, they would now go against Johnson.

It’s futile asking for benefits of leaving the EU, other than leaving the EU. There are none. The nonsense about Sovereignty etc. Is just that, nonsense. We had almost total control in our position in the EU, but Tories dislike ordinary changes, like equality, worker protection, environmental laws etc. Etc.

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