A Coming Covid Catastrophe - mass vaccination

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Re: A Coming Covid Catastrophe - mass vaccination

Post by Varky » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:50 pm

Can I have that in words of one syllable.

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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:40 pm

I'm not an expert on vaccines (obvs), but...just 2 to 3 months ago around 1500 people a day were dying in the UK from Covid. Now it's way under 200 a day, thanks to the mass vaccination programme. Until something better comes along, way to go imo.

I just don't have time to watch the video, but what does Geert Vanden Bossche propose as an alternative remedy to the current vaccination protocol? Is he suggesting the Swedish herd immunity idea?

As I said the other day on another thread, one of the problems with "experts" is that they can never agree amongst themselvers as to what is right and what is wrong. And then next year they do an about turn. If what Geert Vanden Bossche is saying is valid, why aren't more imunologists supporting him and singing from the same hymn sheet?

I did watch the first 10-15 mins of the video, but then realised I had other things to do.

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Post by galexinda » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:08 am

Must admit my attention was wandering before the end of the first paragraph.

Vaccination, as with any other medical procedure, is down to individual choice.

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Post by Dominic » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:59 am

The film itself is worth watching.

One of his claims is that things will get a lot worse in the UK and Israel in the coming weeks. So we will know soon enough if he is right or wrong.

One thing for certain, he isn't a nutter. So at least give him a listen.

The basic gist is that while the vaccine itself is great, it should be used as a prophylactic, and not deployed in the middle of a pandemic. As the pandemic is already upon us it would be better to protect the vulnerable and allow the fit and healthy (younger) to interact and go about their lives, building a natural immunity.

From what I have seen so far, there is no expert in the film interviewed to provide a counterpoint, so you have to take it as one side of an argument.
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Post by jeba » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:40 pm

sadie62 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:01 pm
He presents scientific evidence that our own ‘innate’ immunity (which healthy and young people possess in abundance) is the best line of defense for recovery from and prevention of COVID-19.
My 24 year old niece who has been suffering from long covid might not believe him though.

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Post by galexinda » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:58 pm

Not going to keep up with this as the original post has been edited three times already so my earlier comment is already probably invalid as my comment was written in response to what I read earlier - 'galexinda » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:08 am'

'Last edited by sadie62 on Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:21 am, edited 3 times in total'.

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Post by Dominic » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:33 pm

My biggest issue with all this is that it misses a fundamental point. Despite Cyprus' best efforts the hospitals are full. Had we not gone with lockdowns they would have been completely overrun and there would have been a lot more deaths.
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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:08 pm

Sweden tried the natural herd immunity idea. It appeared to work for a few months, then became a complete disaster...and Anders Tegnell, Sweden's well-known epidemiologist, admitted he had been wrong in supporting the idea of herd immunity all along.

I return to my main point, if this guy is right, why isn't there a groundswell of support from vaccine experts throughout the world? There must be hundreds of them. Why is he on his own on this? And why hasn't mainstream media latched on to this story, instead of some news outlet no-one has heard of?

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Post by Paulo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:30 pm

Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:08 pm
I return to my main point, if this guy is right, why isn't there a groundswell of support from vaccine experts throughout the world? There must be hundreds of them. Why is he on his own on this? And why hasn't mainstream media latched on to this story, instead of some news outlet no-one has heard of?
C’mon HIC, it’s obvious!
It’s because the main stream media and all of the medical experts are in collaboration with the worlds governments to force the vaccine and lock downs upon us.
By forcing us to wear masks they are imposing there mass control experiments, seeing how far they can actually get us to obey them.
Regarding the hospitals, they’re all actually empty!

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Post by Les Bean » Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:37 pm

Paulo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:30 pm
Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:08 pm
I return to my main point, if this guy is right, why isn't there a groundswell of support from vaccine experts throughout the world? There must be hundreds of them. Why is he on his own on this? And why hasn't mainstream media latched on to this story, instead of some news outlet no-one has heard of?
C’mon HIC, it’s obvious!
It’s because the main stream media and all of the medical experts are in collaboration with the worlds governments to force the vaccine and lock downs upon us.
By forcing us to wear masks they are imposing there mass control experiments, seeing how far they can actually get us to obey them.
Regarding the hospitals, they’re all actually empty!

😂😂😂😂😂

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Post by jeba » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:39 pm

Happy in Cyprus wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:08 pm
I return to my main point, if this guy is right, why isn't there a groundswell of support from vaccine experts throughout the world? There must be hundreds of them. Why is he on his own on this? And why hasn't mainstream media latched on to this story, instead of some news outlet no-one has heard of?
And why has my niece been suffering since last August? And not only she alone but a friend of her as well (out of a group of 23 youngsters who caught the virus at a birthday party with 40 participants). That's 2/23 = 8.7%.

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Post by Dominic » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:00 pm

I moved it mainly because of the title. It is a bit "sensational". Fundamentally though, the response to the pandemic is steeped in politics. And any political discussion that isn't directly about Brexit is to be welcomed.
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Post by Dominic » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:50 am

Most people don't go to a particular category to look at posts. They tend to use the NEW POSTS option or one of the variants.

Personally I prefer "ACTIVE TOPICS".
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Post by Dominic » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:09 am

Look at the views of the posts in the political section.

Also, address this point I made:

My biggest issue with all this is that it misses a fundamental point. Despite Cyprus' best efforts the hospitals are full. Had we not gone with lockdowns they would have been completely overrun and there would have been a lot more deaths.
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Post by Jimgward » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:01 pm

If you out 10 ‘experts’ in a room, your will get 11 different theories.,…

What we need, is expert groups who recommend to politicians and their business civil servant experts. You need to question every aspect of a conclusion, as experts are not great at looking outside the box - I.e. considering what they don’t know. A prime example, is the UK SAGE ‘experts’ who recommended emptying the UK hospitals into care homes, did NOT know that staff in social care moved between homes and therefore completely misunderstood the risks to residents from community infection going from one home to another. They admitted they knew nothing of social care and had not spoken to anyone who did. The politicians accepted the recommendation and made it policy, again without testing the assumptions. End result was 10’s of thousands of extra deaths.

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Post by Dominic » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:46 pm

This is true. Which goes back to my previous question about overruning hospitals. That is an actual thing. A problem that needs to be dealt with. There is no point adopting a policy that puts more strain on a health service that is already almost at breaking point.
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Post by living the dream » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:01 pm

I read the Paphos People forum the other day as there was an interesting debate going on about vaccines etc being really pushed by Lady Libra and Old Twister and certainly looks like Lady Libra is now trying her luck with Paphos Life under Sadie 62 given the short shrift she and Old Twister got from other members on PP regarding the diatribe they were spouting with regards to Vaccines and lockdowns, apparently OT was banned form another Forum for his conspiracy theories and rhetoric. May be wrong but you read LL's posts on PP and the posts on this website and they are remarkably the same.

The catastrophe would be that vaccines programs grind to a halt and and cases rise drastically again globally and hospitals are overwhelmed - anti vaxers are a danger to anyone in their vicinity and should not be given airtime or any form of social platform to spot their ill-informed and ignorant views as Dr Hillary put it a couple of weeks ago on GMB.

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Post by The Aquila » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:17 pm

Absolutely agree with the post above.

I also agree that It is Sadie62 choice not to have the vaccine.

Likewise, I do hope that she / he doesn’t come back here moaning when airlines, etc express their choice not let anyone fly or use their facilities if they haven’t been vaccinated.

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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:58 am

I may not agree with Sadie on her topic, but I "get" Sadie's post questioning why her thread was thread was moved to the Political section. I inwardly questioned why my "Tell-all Interview" thread was moved to the Political Section the other day, when it was clearly not a political topic. Threads often die a death the minute they are moved to the political section, but I recognise Dominic's prerogative to do so.

Possibly like Sadie I choose which section to view, rather than "Most recent posts".

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Post by Dominic » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:34 am

The Meghan story is steeped in politics too. Politics is a lot more than Brexit and whatever it was that was argued about politically before Brexit came along.

Regarding people's posting on other forums, that is not for me to monitor or moderate.

Finally, I cannot endorse the use of "ACTIVE TOPICS" enough. It shows you, chronologically, all the threads that have been active in the last week. It makes it much easier to see what is being talked about.
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