Britannia Waves the Rules

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Really liked that - was from an EU Irish MEP!

This from Laura Kuenssberg

Laura Kuenssberg

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After all of the enormous palava and concern over the last few days, the bill has now been published.

In black and white, it confirms the government wants ministers to have powers over state aid - government financial support for businesses - in Northern Ireland.

And it wants ministers to have powers to make regulations and rules about goods in Northern Ireland.

Why does that matter?

Remember in the withdrawal agreement with the EU, Northern Ireland is still in the UK, but it has to follow elements of the EU's customs code.

It will be seen by the EU as a pretty brazen attempt to override the deal that has been done.

For legal eagles out there, the bill contains the words "not withstanding".

That basically means this law sets aside a law we have already agreed.

That was described to me earlier in the week as being a completely nuclear option.

And they have pressed it.

This row isn't going to go away.

This is the Bill proposal;

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/b ... /20177.pdf
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If it is of any interest to you, open the bill and search for "notwithstanding"

All these references basically is a way of saying - "OK, we know we are supposed to do this, BUT, we may do that"
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Unfortunately, I was not able to format the following quotation into something more reasonable, please excuse me.

The following article gives a total green light to any Tom, Dick or Harry of a minister to do virtually anything. What it really means is that the Northern Ireland protocol as already legally established is not worth the paper that it was printed on. Boris and ny politicians could do anything they liked and neither the people of Northern Ireland nor those of mainland Britain could do a blind thing to stop them, if this became legal. In other words, as far as Northern Ireland is concerned, any minister, yes, any minister has far-reaching powers to do what he likes.
42Power to disapply or modify export declarations and other exit procedures
(1)A Minister of the Crown may by regulations make provision about theapplication of exit procedures to goods, or a description of goods, whenmoving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain.
(2)That includes any exit procedure that is applicable by virtue of the NorthernIreland Protocol or otherwise.
(3)The following matters (in particular) may be taken into account when aMinister of the Crown is exercising the power conferred by subsection (1)—(a)the need for Northern Ireland goods to enjoy unfettered access to therest of the United Kingdom, and(b)the need to maintain and strengthen the integrity and smooth operationof the internal market in the United Kingdom.
(4)Regulations under subsection (1) may (among other things) make provision—(a)disapplying, or modifying the application of, an exit procedure;(b)stating or restating what an exit procedure is, or is not, applicable to.
(5)Such provision may include provision for rights, powers, liabilities,obligations, restrictions, remedies and procedures that would otherwise apply,as a result of relevant international or domestic law, not to be recognised,available, enforced, allowed or followed.
United Kingdom Internal Market BillPart 5 — Northern Ireland Protocol34(6)Regulations under subsection
(1)—(a)made during the initial period are subject to made affirmativeprocedure;
(b)made after the end of the initial period are subject to affirmativeresolution procedure.
(7)In this section—“exit procedure” means a procedure or other formality (including anysupervision, restriction or control) applicable to goods moving fromNorthern Ireland (whether it is applicable before or after goods movefrom Northern Ireland, and whether it is applicable in Northern Irelandor elsewhere);“initial period” means the period of six months beginning with the day onwhich this section comes into force;“relevant international or domestic law” has the meaning given by section45(4)
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Yup..Tony Bliar done a similar thing to get us in the illegal Iraq war with his bum chum Bush..wheres them WMDs.. :D
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"If the UK violates that international treaty and Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be absolutely no chance of a US-UK trade agreement passing the Congress," Pelosi said in a statement on Wednesday.
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/poli ... index.html
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Strange there has been so little comment on what is a really serious move by Boris - something that not only jeopardises ANY EU agreement, but leaves the UK out there untrustworthy in the world. We are showing ourselves to be a Banana Republic, what with the way we. force things through, to awarding contracts to 'friends' to helping 'friends' avoid paying their tax.

Also, this bill removes a lot of power from Devolved Governments, against what was promised. By 20222, it could end up England and Wales....
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Any comment won’t make a blind bit of difference, the UK is fucked (Dom will understand the change of word).

Is it all part on the negotiations? Maybe it is but BoJo will take the UK out even with a no deal and then quit. He’ll then continue to be a multi-millionaire whilst everyone else suffers.


<edit> apologies for the language but I was expecting it to changed :lol:
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Is there an international institution / court which has authority to rule non the issue? How much of a problem will BoJo´s new law create in practice? And for who (only for Ireland / Northern Ireland)?
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Brittania Waves The Rules

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Growing up, we were brought up to believe that Britain stood for integrity , meaning you could rely on the UK, to stand by its word, who will ever believe the UK again ?, when it behaves no different to third world tin pot country's like Zimbabwe, looks like Bozo Boris is an admirer of the late Mugabe,
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