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Dambusters' Dog Memorial Changed To Remove Racial Slur
The headstone with the dog's name at Scampton has been removed by the RAF as part of an "ongoing review of its historical assets".
The headstone of a grave to the Dambusters' dog, whose name was a racial slur, has been replaced.
617 Squadron, based at RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire during the Second World War, famously completed daring night attacks on German dams in 1943.
The black Labrador, whose name Forces News is not using, was the squadron's mascot.
His name was used as a codeword by Wing Commander Guy Gibson to say the dams had been breached, with the dog dying on the same night as the Second World War raid.
The original headstone bearing the dog's name at RAF Scampton been removed by the Royal Air Force as part of an "ongoing review of its historical assets".
It will, however, be stored in a safe location while the Air Historical Branch considers its next steps.
Film versions of 'The Dam Busters' have already edited out the name or replaced it with 'Trigger' instead.
Local Conservative MP Sir Edward Leigh said: "Undoubtedly we are both more sensitive and more sensible today when it comes to the delicateness of racialist and derogatory terminology which had been used with unfortunate informality in the past.
"It is perfectly understandable that this is a tricky matter to which there are no simple or easy solutions.
"I am, however, very fearful of our ability today to erase or re-write history.
"The past needs to be explained, taught about, and learned from – not re-written.
"Wing Cdr Gibson’s dog was much loved by the Dambusters and was killed while he was on a raid risking his life to defend our country."
An RAF spokesperson said: "As part of an ongoing review of its historical assets, the RAF have replaced the gravestone of Guy Gibson’s dog at RAF Scampton.
"The new gravestone tells the story of Guy Gibson’s dog, but its name has been removed."
https://www.forces.net/news/dambusters- ... acial-slur
NB The dog's name was NIGGER.
The headstone with the dog's name at Scampton has been removed by the RAF as part of an "ongoing review of its historical assets".
The headstone of a grave to the Dambusters' dog, whose name was a racial slur, has been replaced.
617 Squadron, based at RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire during the Second World War, famously completed daring night attacks on German dams in 1943.
The black Labrador, whose name Forces News is not using, was the squadron's mascot.
His name was used as a codeword by Wing Commander Guy Gibson to say the dams had been breached, with the dog dying on the same night as the Second World War raid.
The original headstone bearing the dog's name at RAF Scampton been removed by the Royal Air Force as part of an "ongoing review of its historical assets".
It will, however, be stored in a safe location while the Air Historical Branch considers its next steps.
Film versions of 'The Dam Busters' have already edited out the name or replaced it with 'Trigger' instead.
Local Conservative MP Sir Edward Leigh said: "Undoubtedly we are both more sensitive and more sensible today when it comes to the delicateness of racialist and derogatory terminology which had been used with unfortunate informality in the past.
"It is perfectly understandable that this is a tricky matter to which there are no simple or easy solutions.
"I am, however, very fearful of our ability today to erase or re-write history.
"The past needs to be explained, taught about, and learned from – not re-written.
"Wing Cdr Gibson’s dog was much loved by the Dambusters and was killed while he was on a raid risking his life to defend our country."
An RAF spokesperson said: "As part of an ongoing review of its historical assets, the RAF have replaced the gravestone of Guy Gibson’s dog at RAF Scampton.
"The new gravestone tells the story of Guy Gibson’s dog, but its name has been removed."
https://www.forces.net/news/dambusters- ... acial-slur
NB The dog's name was NIGGER.
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I agree Lotus, it's all gone too far, if we protest, we're called racist !
The past cannot be changed, we must not try to alter history to please the snowflakes, and anyone else who is offended by it, or rather, says that they are !
Personally I have given up on my country, it's completely down the pan.
Jackie
The past cannot be changed, we must not try to alter history to please the snowflakes, and anyone else who is offended by it, or rather, says that they are !
Personally I have given up on my country, it's completely down the pan.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
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Calling a Dog, N******R. was perfectly exceptable,back then because most people were racists, and black people were considered sub human,
today it is not, exceptable, and if someone, can not see the reason for changing this, then yes its you who has a problem.
today it is not, exceptable, and if someone, can not see the reason for changing this, then yes its you who has a problem.
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There was a pet gravestone removed from Coombe Abbey near Coventry that was over 100 years old for the same reason...ridicolous.
History is history and can't be changed. We can learn from it but it is what it is.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ ... e-18529848
History is history and can't be changed. We can learn from it but it is what it is.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ ... e-18529848
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You are bloody joking,I am not a racist by any means but this is part of British history,it's about time we live in the present and not the past,the whole thing has just become a joke lately,it's like many countries you go to live there but you have to abide by their rules and you can't alter the past, this is meant for whl
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I honestly don't care what a gravestone for a dog says. I would only ask whether anybody had actually complained?
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I agree with WHL. The dogs name is a racial slur, with which nobody would disagree. It is appropriate to remove the headstone and replace it with something that isn't an insult to black people. Nobody is demeaning the action of the dam busters or any of the people who took part in that raid. Nobody is altering history. It is about being respectful to a significant proportion of British population who find the word an insult.
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I bet it's not a significant proportion of ordinary British people,the ordinary bloke in the street over fifty would think the whole thing stupid,where's it going to end? at this rate white people in UK will be the minority,again Iam not racist but it's getting beyond a joke
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I used to walk past his grave every day when at RAF Scampton. Good boy.
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The dogs name can and is being described as a racial slur in 2020. It was no such thing when named in the 1940's. Black people call each other this name routinely to this very day yet now it is racially unacceptable.
I am amazed that the people seeking out these monuments etc have thus far managed to avoid the grave of a shipwrecked slave in north west Lancashire who sadly died of his injuries and was buried by the locals. His name was Sambo and perished in 1736.
I am amazed that the people seeking out these monuments etc have thus far managed to avoid the grave of a shipwrecked slave in north west Lancashire who sadly died of his injuries and was buried by the locals. His name was Sambo and perished in 1736.
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Utter tripe, Quote, no such thing in the 40s,Diocletian wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:57 pm The dogs name can and is being described as a racial slur in 2020. It was no such thing when named in the 1940's. Black people call each other this name routinely to this very day yet now it is racially unacceptable.
I am amazed that the people seeking out these monuments etc have thus far managed to avoid the grave of a shipwrecked slave in north west Lancashire who sadly died of his injuries and was buried by the locals. His name was Sambo and perished in 1736.
I guess the Americans called them N****rs, as a term of endearment,
you come out with some rubbish.
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The name NIGGER for that beautiful black Labrador is derived from the LATIN name NIGER, which means BLACK. The English version being Nigger. No offence or racial slur was or is ever intended. The UK has lost its backbone.
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From where I am in Cyprus where most people are not bothered about political correctness, it seems as if the lock down trauma in UK has turned some a bit unbalanced. For goodness sake, why rail against a dog who lived 80 yrs ago and was a much loved mascot of a famous RAF squadron and owned by their Sqn Commander. In those days when Robertson’s Marmalade was popular, calling a dog by that name was an endearment because his colour was black, Had the dog had a golden coat he would have had another name. I am sickened by the way that native Brits have to keep kow tow ing to ethnic minorities. They should have been educated to understand the history and traditions of our country. It’s history now,it should be left like that.
Dee
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Sambo's grave at Sunderland Point is cared for by the locals. As far as I can remember, from being a little girl myself, his grave always had fresh flowers on it.
Today, there are all manner of tokens left on the grave, and it has a wall built around it. My parents took me to see it when I was little and told me his story, I did the same with my daughter in turn. He will never be forgotten locally, nor his story.
That said, I do not agree with removing every little reminder of our past, it only offends, if you allow or wish it to.
Jackie
Today, there are all manner of tokens left on the grave, and it has a wall built around it. My parents took me to see it when I was little and told me his story, I did the same with my daughter in turn. He will never be forgotten locally, nor his story.
That said, I do not agree with removing every little reminder of our past, it only offends, if you allow or wish it to.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
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And now........calls for 'Rule Britannia' to be removed from the last night of the proms
As it happens, it's the ring tone on my phone, if it offends anyone, tough.
Jackie
As it happens, it's the ring tone on my phone, if it offends anyone, tough.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
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Just as well I'm not in the UK. What will be demanded next? Removal of the Union Jack or the National Anthem. To be replaced by a Calypso?
Dee
Dee
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That is complete and utter bollocks. It was deemed ok in those days, it doesn't mean it was right. Like the Agatha Christie book "10 Little Niggers", that was deemed ok, but not so now. Times change, not always for the better, but in this case, sure.
I still would like to know who actually complained though.
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