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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:59 pm

Being honest Dom I didn't know who he was till yesterday when I read he had a shouting match with Piers Morgan. I still really don't know who he is apart from him being some friend of Jimmy Saville and any friend of his is no friend of mine.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:44 pm

Gibraltar; Pandoras Box springs to mind.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Firefly » Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:41 pm

The EU backing Spain against us, now who would have thought it :roll:
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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgym » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:23 pm

Haven’t Morocco been asking Spain to hand back Ceuta and Melilla?

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:56 am

Jimgym wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:23 pm
Haven’t Morocco been asking Spain to hand back Ceuta and Melilla?
Yes but Morocco isn't trying to strike a trade deal with the EU.

And Jackie, the EU was backing the UK until we left on Friday night losing the benefits of being a member. That's what happens when you give up your place at the table.

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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:38 am

And as the UK sails off into the sunset. Courtesy Morten Morland and the ST.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Dominic » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:42 am

Firefly wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:41 pm
The EU backing Spain against us, now who would have thought it :roll:
Exactly! Shame we left really.
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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgym » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:13 pm

Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:56 am
Jimgym wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:23 pm
Haven’t Morocco been asking Spain to hand back Ceuta and Melilla?
Yes but Morocco isn't trying to strike a trade deal with the EU.

And Jackie, the EU was backing the UK until we left on Friday night losing the benefits of being a member. That's what happens when you give up your place at the table.

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Oh well that’s ok then 🙄

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:28 pm

Jimgym wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:13 pm
Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:56 am
Jimgym wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:23 pm
Haven’t Morocco been asking Spain to hand back Ceuta and Melilla?
Yes but Morocco isn't trying to strike a trade deal with the EU.

And Jackie, the EU was backing the UK until we left on Friday night losing the benefits of being a member. That's what happens when you give up your place at the table.

Jim
Oh well that’s ok then 🙄
Cant see where I wrote or even implied it was "OK" but it's not as if we weren't warned was it; oh that's right Leavers put it down to Project Fear?

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Post by Jimgym » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:51 pm

Jim, just because Spain still wants Gibraltar back, does not for one minute mean that will actually happen. Anyone that thinks so, needs to give their head a good shake. Perhaps, instead of bringing up Gibraltar, yet again, they could focus on Morocco's claim to Ceuta and Melilla? I'm sure Morocco would be happy. Or maybe they could focus on Catalan. If they think for one minute though that Britain will be pushover, I'm afraid they, and many others are in for a nasty surprise.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 pm

I totally agree with you regarding Morroco but the difference is Morroco does not have the power to veto EU trade talks unlike Spain. We will see whether or not the British Government are prepared to sacrifice the few (Gibraltar) for the many (the UK) like they sacrificed the DUP.
What do you propose, we go to war over It?

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgym » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:59 pm

Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 pm
I totally agree with you regarding Morroco but the difference is Morroco does not have the power to veto EU trade talks unlike Spain. We will see whether or not the British Government are prepared to sacrifice the few (Gibraltar) for the many (the UK) like they sacrificed the DUP.
What do you propose, we go to war over It?

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I don't propose war no. There are far more effective ways of dealing with it as I am sure the British Govt know. I doubt very much that handing Gibraltar back has even entered the minds of any of them. Spain has been harping on for years, and nothing will change, on either side. Let them veto trade talks if they so wish, and we will see how that goes down with the rest of the EU!

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Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:28 pm

As I read it Spain has said they will veto Gibraltar being part of any Trade Talk agreements so it will be down to the British Government whether to accept or reject the terms and on past history Blojo has already sold several friends and partners out for the betterment of himself.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Firefly » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:59 pm

Jim B

Of course the EU won't back us, they are sulking big time because they cannot rule us anymore, and won't be having the huge contributions that we have made over the last 40 odd years.

A knife in the back does not surprise me at all from Europe, It just shows how shallow the EU is.
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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgward » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:06 pm

Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 pm
I totally agree with you regarding Morroco but the difference is Morroco does not have the power to veto EU trade talks unlike Spain. We will see whether or not the British Government are prepared to sacrifice the few (Gibraltar) for the many (the UK) like they sacrificed the DUP.
What do you propose, we go to war over It?

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How did they sacrifice the DUP?

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:08 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:06 pm
Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 pm
I totally agree with you regarding Morroco but the difference is Morroco does not have the power to veto EU trade talks unlike Spain. We will see whether or not the British Government are prepared to sacrifice the few (Gibraltar) for the many (the UK) like they sacrificed the DUP.
What do you propose, we go to war over It?

Jim
How did they sacrifice the DUP?
By agreeing to a border in the Irish sea hung the DUP out to dry.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:09 pm

Firefly wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:59 pm
Jim B

Of course the EU won't back us, they are sulking big time because they cannot rule us anymore, and won't be having the huge contributions that we have made over the last 40 odd years.

A knife in the back does not surprise me at all from Europe, It just shows how shallow the EU is.
Right!!! :roll:

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:38 am

Firefly wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:41 pm
The EU backing Spain against us, now who would have thought it :roll:

Some of us had previously thought this through Jackie, but clearly not you.

The problem with Brexiteers was that they were so carried away by their euphoric hubris that they would never listen to the warnings which Remaininers gave them. We were dismissed as being negative, scare-mongering, 'Project Fear', etc.

This is what I wrote in November 24 2018 in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7537&p=76057&hilit ... ain#p76057

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Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:54 pm
Read that May has now conceded on Gibralter in order that the deal can be signed off on Sunday.

Which then prompted the Spanish leader to proclaim that Spain was now going to seek joint sovereignty over Gibralter. That'll upset a few people in Gibralter :(

About 3-4 months ago, well before it became the hot potato which it currently is, I did point out that Gibralter was likely to be a sticking point, in much the same way as NI is.

...and this is what I wrote in September 04 2018 in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6783&p=67988&hilit ... ain#p67988

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You're right jeba. Read an article in the ST the other week about this very same topic. Gibraltarians are scared stiff as to what will happen to their geographic domain and to their economy. Apparently thousands of much needed Spanish workers hop across the border each day to work in Gibralter. At the moment they can just walk or drive through unhindered. In the event of a no-deal Brexit, these thousands of workers will end up queueing to go through Customs and Immigration. Twice a day! And of course, the facilities just aren't there to cope. They're worried too that Spain might, once more, lay claim to Gibralter. There will no longer be anyone in the EU to support the UK's position.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgward » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:49 am

Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Jimgward wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:06 pm
Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 pm
I totally agree with you regarding Morroco but the difference is Morroco does not have the power to veto EU trade talks unlike Spain. We will see whether or not the British Government are prepared to sacrifice the few (Gibraltar) for the many (the UK) like they sacrificed the DUP.
What do you propose, we go to war over It?

Jim
How did they sacrifice the DUP?
By agreeing to a border in the Irish sea hung the DUP out to dry.

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It hung NI out to dry - the DUP is NOT NI - it is a political party

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:31 pm

JWard
Yes he also hung Northern Ireland out to dry but the DUP was the Conservatives close Brexit partners who he abandoned and made a deal behind their backs with the EU.

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