PM to address the nation at 6pm (UK time)

[Earlsfield]

You seem to throw he word “hatred” around quite a lot, perhaps it is in your nature. Opinions are normally formed from a number of sources and I would suggest most of us are pretty open minded when forming those opinions, relying on single sources is not a good idea, you should try it. In Corbyns case the weight of the available evidence is stacked against him despite the “whitewashing” attempts by the likes of Momentum. And I would also suggest that he is not often “left out alone” he is often scripted, when not it shows, unlike McDonnell, Thornberry and Abbott, who are thankfully left alone to put their feet in their mouths on a regular basis. Did you watch Question Time last night, classic performance from Thornberry. The trouble Is whilst claiming to be Socialists, the true goal of Corbyn and his close cabal is Marxism, which is actually not supported by the rest of the party. He is a dinosaur, completely unable to adapt to the day, and to the country a real danger to its wellbeing and security.

[Jimgward]

Earlsfield said “. I wouldn’t class those that voted to remain as Collaborators or Traitors, obstructive yes, and they have contributed directly to the failure of talks to date”

So, you’re not allowed to vote remain then, or follow your principles?

The reality is no agreement can be reached and more than 60% of the country now back remain. But our type of democracy isn’t allowing people to change their mind.

[Jim B]

You seem to throw he word “hatred” around quite a lot, perhaps it is in your nature. Opinions are normally formed from a number of sources and I would suggest most of us are pretty open minded when forming those opinions, relying on single sources is not a good idea, you should try it. In Corbyns case the weight of the available evidence is stacked against him despite the “whitewashing” attempts by the likes of Momentum. And I would also suggest that he is not often “left out alone” he is often scripted, when not it shows, unlike McDonnell, Thornberry and Abbott, who are thankfully left alone to put their feet in their mouths on a regular basis. Did you watch Question Time last night, classic performance from Thornberry. The trouble Is whilst claiming to be Socialists, the true goal of Corbyn and his close cabal is Marxism, which is actually not supported by the rest of the party. He is a dinosaur, completely unable to adapt to the day, and to the country a real danger to its wellbeing and security.

And that is my whole point; he may be a dinosaur but he's not a crook or liar which you appear to prefer as long as they are not socialists. You don't have to be a psychologist to read the venom and disdain
in yours or others posts, it's quite obvious your feelings towards Corbyn.
As said you support a party where one of the top ministers was in secret talks with a foreign government, another releasing state secrets and you talk about security and wellbeing, come on., how much worse can it get.

Jim

[Firefly]

I do not hate Corbyn, I despise him.

My opinion formed from the photographs of him with known terrorists, who have led terrorist organisations, the members of which have killed women and children, injured and maimed our citizens on our mainland. He has also made speeches, regarding his terrorist friends, non of which is right wing propaganda, it is fact.

If, God forbid. he ever becomes P.M. I fear for our future and that of our children and grandchildren.

[Earlsfield]

Earlsfield said “. I wouldn’t class those that voted to remain as Collaborators or Traitors, obstructive yes, and they have contributed directly to the failure of talks to date”

So, you’re not allowed to vote remain then, or follow your principles?

The reality is no agreement can be reached and more than 60% of the country now back remain. But our type of democracy isn’t allowing people to change their mind.

How you came to that conclusion from my comment is simply beyond me, why on earth to you think people were not allowed to vote as they wished, they were and they did. And whilst sounding like a stuck record, the majority of those that voted, voted to leave, fully aware that this was a “once only” vote. And yes, given the currant obstructive nature of Parliament, the blocking tactics, not to get a deal, but to simply prevent Brexit is totally un-democratic. Did you listen to Ms Thornberry on Question Time last night, the truth is out. And 60%, really? I think you will find the polls are still a lot closer that that.

[tonee]

The thing is Jim B,if you had a son or daughter,relation or best friend murdered by the IRA,what would you have felt seeing Corbyn and McDonnell walking and laughing side by side(Google).
Imagine how these families feel seeing Corbyn as the opposition leader.I also despise him.
How on earth anybody could even think about even considering voting this communist,terrorist appeaser is beyond me!

[Jim B]

I do not hate Corbyn, I despise him.

My opinion formed from the photographs of him with known terrorists, who have led terrorist organisations, the members of which have killed women and children, injured and maimed our citizens on our mainland. He has also made speeches, regarding his terrorist friends, non of which is right wing propaganda, it is fact.

If, God forbid. he ever becomes P.M. I fear for our future and that of our children and grandchildren.

Hate is a synonym of despise as is loathe.
There's plenty of photographs of politicians with unsavoury characters; remember Thatcher with General Pinochet who butchered thousands of his fellow countrymen, women and children. Remember she tried to prevent his extradtion to Spain for the murder of Spanish citizens?
Meeting these people is part of the job, peace was finally achieved by having those meetings.

Jim

[Jim B]

The thing is Jim B,if you had a son or daughter,relation or best friend murdered by the IRA,what would you have felt seeing Corbyn and McDonnell walking and laughing side by side(Google).
Imagine how these families feel seeing Corbyn as the opposition leader.I also despise him.
How on earth anybody could even think about even considering voting this communist,terrorist appeaser is beyond me!

Both Thatcher and Major negotiated with the IRA; do you despise them as well. I doubt it.
The right wing press have spent a decade doing a hatchet job on Corbyn with great success it seems. I'm no great fan of his but not because of what the right wing press writes about him.
Two links relating to Thatcher and Major negotiating with the IRA.

JIM


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1993/nov ... ernireland

[tonee]

And if you were related to the poor souls who suffered in the Brighton bombings,what would you have felt seeing Corbyn and his IRA friends in parliament just two week later?

[Jim B]

Toner
Yes he's guilty of crass timing and poor political judgement but his negotiations opened the way to peace.
No one in their right mind would support terrorism.

Jim

[Jimgward]

During those times of the troubles, many bad things happened and I condemn all sides. The IRA, UDS, UVF and yes the British Army and the PSNI. All committed atrocities and murdered innocents. It was a war of sorts and it was exasperated by the so-called peacekeepers committing atrocities as well.

Bringing peace meant involvement of loads of politicians and having to deal with terrorists as well.

Remember, Mandela was hated by Thatcher and branded a terrorist at the same time as she courted dictators.

[Earlsfield]

Toner
Yes he's guilty of crass timing and poor political judgement but his negotiations opened the way to peace.
No one in their right mind would support terrorism.

Jim

I am sorry Jim, but no he didn’t open the way to peace, at best he stuck his nose in...did you read the link I posted ?even his own party Is dismissive of the claims he is somehow instrumental in the peace process. I am not suggested he actively supported terrorists, but his tacit approval has given them credibility that quite frankly is the oxygen they breath. And Jimgward, it was not a war of sorts, it was a war.

[Jimgward]

Earlsfield. The UK never called it a war. They also never called the Falklands a war. That’s why I used that term.

[Firefly]

Jim B

I do not mean 'hate' by the use of despise.

I accept that using a thesaurus it might well be a synonym, I mean that I find him repugnant.

[Jimgward]

As Jim B says, if we allow the media, which is 90% right-wing, to help us formulate our views, then we are being led.

I wouldn’t vote for Corbyn either, but ‘despise’ isn’t something I even say about Farage, Johnson, Gove and others, who I seriously dislike and don’t rate!

[Jim B]

Like you Jim I'm no fan of Corbyn and like you I don't hate or find repulsive or despise Johnson, Gove or Farage but I do feel anger towards them for taking our country down this dangerous road.
I feel anger towards Corbyn for putting his own aspirations before the wellbeing of our country, he should step aside for someone more acceptable to voters.

Jim