Theresa May, time to step down?

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:31 pm

Jimgward wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:23 pm
Can't read the FT as it wants me to subscribe....

This is from the Telegraph - not exactly impartial....

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The Independent - has no other countries leaving - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 36021.html

That's from David Davis - an ardent leaver

Everything else is from the Express and others, so not worth wiping my ......p

Hudswell, it's stranger you accuse others of only seeing what they want to see.... yet you are so 100% Rule Britannia, you won't even accept other views!
Oh come on Jim, those percentages are not exactly inspiring are they! If I was a French or Italian Politician...or indeed Sweden..
And I am not accusing others..just you.

You may be interested in this

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/01/ ... of-the-eu/
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Jimgward » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:56 pm

This percentages are 'protest' votes - just like Brexit was in the UK and Trump was in the USA.

Italians are hardly renowned for the status quo! :o

The French protest about everything, but when push comes to shove..... as David Davis admitted, none would leave

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:15 pm

And Brexit will Happen and Trump is the president of the USA...I fail to see your point...
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by ApusApus » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:49 pm

Your graph is irrelevant Jimgward as it's just a snapshot in time, to be meaningful you need to add additional graphs from previous years then I think you would see a different pattern appearing that would not suit your political views!

Anyway, back on topic no she shouldn't step down but her days are numbered and when the time is right she will go ………… one way or another!


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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Jimgward » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:54 pm

It is the most meaningful towards Hudsell's argument - nothing else comes close to supporting it... I certainly aint going back pre-brexit for a comparison, that probably isnt there...

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 pm

Oh Jim, if anything it supports my argument, no one has said that the EU is about to collapse, but there are other nations, as demonstrated by your graph that are moving towards a decision on remaining within the EU, I note doesn’t mention Greece. I actually believe if any good comes from Brexit for the EU is that it will drive change across what is a ineffective, centralist and corrupt organisation. It’s drive towards federalism, the creation of a EU Super State controlled by an elite centre (sound familiar) will stall, and EU citizens will fight back against the relentless drive to extinguish their individual culture.
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by ApusApus » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:06 pm

Then as I said Jimgward your graph is irrelevant, it's a one off, you cannot draw any concrete conclusions from it without suitable comparisons! :roll:


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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Devil » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:47 am

To get back to the original question, NO! It is not time for her to step down. The time for her to step down was 18 months ago. That she is stubborn and pig-headed enough to stay shows her in the worst political light.

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pm

Again I await with bated breath for posters alternatives to Mrs May.
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Varky » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:14 am

The second person in the world less likely to listen to others and take on board alternative proposals to their opinion is one Teresa May. The first being Hudswell.
Again I await with bated breath for posters alternatives to Mrs May.
Dominic Raab or anyone else!

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:24 am

Dominic Raab, come on...expand...his leadership qualities perhaps, his dedication, loyalty? Not obvious to the average joe, where exactly is he these days? Or are you just having a laugh?
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Lincoln » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:57 am

None of you really and truthfully know the in depth qualities of the cabinet members. Only hearsay and the tabloids. Perhaps the question should be. Who in your opinion would perhaps make a good PM?
To put my two penneth in I rather like Nigel Farage-However he will never get that exalted position. However at least he has a backbone
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by kingfisher » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:25 am

Agreed Lincoln. The most able polititian in this generation. Twenty five years of first hand experience in Europe, plus a successful career in the real world. He is passionate and articulate- and above all, has a sense of humour! I enjoy his show on LBC. But, as you rightly point out, his chance of ever getting to be PM is virtually nill, as the same anti-democratic forces which have so far all but wrecked the largest democratic exercise in our history, will ensure he is never allowed into the Westminster Club.
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Varky » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:45 am

Hudswell wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:24 am
Dominic Raab, come on...expand...his leadership qualities perhaps, his dedication, loyalty? Not obvious to the average joe, where exactly is he these days? Or are you just having a laugh?
Maybe he is keeping a low profile. Nothing you have said eliminates him from the competition, in fact your reply is devoid of detail. Whereas TM has shown her total incompetence for all to see, both in the Brexit negotiations as prime minister and in the Windrush scandal as Home secretary. I cannot for the life of me understand your blind support for that woman.

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:02 am

Varky wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:45 am
Hudswell wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:24 am
Dominic Raab, come on...expand...his leadership qualities perhaps, his dedication, loyalty? Not obvious to the average joe, where exactly is he these days? Or are you just having a laugh?
Maybe he is keeping a low profile. Nothing you have said eliminates him from the competition, in fact your reply is devoid of detail. Whereas TM has shown her total incompetence for all to see, both in the Brexit negotiations as prime minister and in the Windrush scandal as Home secretary. I cannot for the life of me understand your blind support for that woman.
Blind support, on the contrary, she has her faults and those have been laid bare, but she is operating within a chaotic and divided parliament but has had the guts, determination, honesty and moral fortitude to drive forward an almost impossible task..when most have given up Raab amongst them, he is a kipper. A major mistake Mrs May made was putting Raab anywhere near Brexit negotiations, I suspect his only aim was to undermine them. Wind-rush was terrible affair, but laying the blame squarely at Mrs May’s feet is ridiculous, the process started long before she was in the seat and whilst her “hostile environment” comment attracted a huge amount of press attention and was seized upon by the likes of Dianne Abbott and Labour for pure political gain, it probably resonated with a desire to reduce illegal immigration and Windrush was caught up in the maelstrom, which caused terrible anguish to those effected.
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Devil » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:03 pm

Hudswell wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:02 am
she is operating within a chaotic and divided parliament
And just why is she operating within a chaotic and divided parliament? It is of her own making because a) she did nothing to advance Brexit for the first+ year of her premiership, hoping it may go away; b) when she realised what had been voted for, she aggressively promoted HER vision of Brexit, without listening to the people or her fellow-politicians or even her civil servant advisors; c) she totally lacked flexibility talking with anyone in Europe or the UK; d) she would not even listen to the arguments of the Opposition, let alone the people in her own Party whose backs she 'got up'; e) she is incapable of leading, being too single-mindedly dogmatic; f) she is a catastrophe, by far the worst prime minister since at least Chamberlain, if not MacDonald.

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:20 pm

I would suggest whoever was in charge we would be in more or less the same position now. Parliament is just too divided, self and party interest has taken precedence of the will of the people, and let’s face it, our “friends” in the EU was never going to make this easy. She has listened, but again let’s face it a lot of the advice and political leanings have been rubbish, either a hard Brexit which nobody wants or a soft Brexit, tieing the country into some wishy washy Swiss or Norwegian type option, keeping us at the beck and call of the EU centre, still unable to control our borders or have a say in the running of the EU. Again nobody, well apart from Varky with the suggestion Dominic Raab is the man for the job, has put any sensible suggestion down as to who is capable of leading the country out of this mess. It seems very easy to criticise, less simple to put together a convincing argument for a replacement.
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Firefly » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:02 pm

I care not who is PM now, I and a lot of other Brexit voters feel betrayed by our own M.P.s. I had very little trust in government before the referendum, now I have absolutely non, we mean nothing to those in power, who are doing what they want, not what we want. The whole sorry mess has been a waste of time and public money, it's nearly THREE years since we voted to leave, and we are no nearer now, than we were then :evil:

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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Hudswell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:24 pm

Firefly wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:02 pm
I care not who is PM now, I and a lot of other Brexit voters feel betrayed by our own M.P.s. I had very little trust in government before the referendum, now I have absolutely non, we mean nothing to those in power, who are doing what they want, not what we want. The whole sorry mess has been a waste of time and public money, it's nearly THREE years since we voted to leave, and we are no nearer now, than we were then :evil:

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You may like this article from Dominic Sandbrook in the DM Jackie

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... cracy.html
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Re: Theresa May, time to step down?

Post by Jimgward » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:39 pm

The thought is that May is 'courting' the DUP again, with promises of more money, for their support and that the ERG group will back her deal this week, rather than up to 2 years of extension. Mogg has realised Brexit is potentially further away if May cannot get a deal agreed. This deal will come with strings we will all pay for - some much more than others!

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