Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Firefly » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:15 pm

Jim B

People arrested for holding up blank pieces of paper? I must have missed something.

As for being arrested for shouting in public, if you are referring to anti royal protesters shouting, then yes, I would consider it to be conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace, it could have turned very nasty, given the number of pro royals there at them time. Nothing to do with Russia.

Shamima Begum didn't need a trial, she fully accepted everything that she had done, been a witness too, assisted in. Why waste more money on a trial? Legal aid lawyers, paid for by the UK, would have a field day. She also has a Dutch husband, let her live in Holland, if they'll have her.
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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Jim B » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Good night Firefly.

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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Dominic » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:56 pm

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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Firefly » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:03 pm

Good night Jim
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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Poppy » Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:35 pm

There you go agaim Jim talking about Prince Andrew - Yes he paid off his accuser but I must point out that they were ALLEGED offences and nothing proven. The chap arrested for shouting out at Prince Andrew was actually tackled to the ground by the spectators and the Police had to intervene. For goodness sake the UK is nothing at all like Russia, I don't think anyone is frightened of being poisoned or murdered by the Government here and we all feel free to say what we wish within reason but protests that disrupt vital services and cause damage to statues, shops, paintings vehicles is rightly condemned not just by the Government but by 99% of the population.

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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Jim B » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:56 am

Come on Poppy , you're not that nieve.
You and I know the establishment wouldn't prosecute Andrew in the UK or let him be extradited to the USA for trial on the Alleged offence of having sex with underage girls. He was asked to go to the States to help with the investigation but declined and then paid a settlement to his accusers.
The Queen basically dismissed him from being an active member of the Roal Family after paying the settlement; doesn't that make wonder why?
The first thing Putin did after getting in power was restrict freedom of speech and demonstrating against the establishment which is now happening in the UK, now you may not mind this happening in the but many millions of people do.
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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Dominic » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:24 am

Given that the girl in question was 17 at the time of the alledged incident, I do think the people calling Andrew a nonce are a bit wide of the mark.

As to the people being arrested for holding up blank sheets of paper? Were any actually arrested? I thought the person in question was told he would be arrested if he wrote "Not My King" on the paper. I may be wrong though, as I only saw the story flash by on twitter.

With regards to Civil Liberties, what about Civil Duties? Like the duty to respect the rest of the nation if it chooses to have a period of mourning for its departed Queen? Why should their right to mourn be trampled on by some childish idiot's right to protest?
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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by tonee » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:32 pm

Jim B is an out and out left winger,detests the tories and present goverment,gave up answering to his comments yonks ago,probaly wishes Corbyn was PM. :lol:

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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Firefly » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:45 pm

God forbid !
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Re: Shamima Begum: arch villain or unwitting patsy?

Post by Poppy » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:18 pm

Oh my goodness tonee that made me smile and as Firefly says God forbid!! Although I have heard today that he is still trying to get back into the Labour party!!

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